TCCD modules, worth it over TCC5?

[Tony]

Guys

OCZ are willing to search out TCCD and label them as such so you know exactly what you are getting. Now, the price will be higher per module as the IC's are more expensive, and performance may not be any better than our high speed binned TCC5.

So my questions are.

Would you like to see a TCCD special part over high binned TCC5.

yes or no?

[Major]

I've not had any experience with the TCC5, but I would buy the TCCD over the TCC5 so I voted yes.

Personally, I like to know what chips are on a stick to begin with. I know that the Heatspreaders are part of your marketing just like everyone else that uses them but I would like to see chip ID's on the labels.

[alexio]

Well OCZ does the testing, can you tell us if on avarage TCCD will overclock higher than TCC5? I'm sure you've done al lot of testing right?

[Eldonko]

I voted yes. Thank you for listening to the feedback on the forums. If you guys can supply top notch TCCD that performs on par with GSkill's good stuff you can mark down 1 sale

[fatfreepork]

I voted yes, becuase like Major said, I'd like to know what Im getting before i buy.

[Tony]

I need to repeat myself here, the TCCD may NOT perform any better than the TCC5 high speed bin we have....you would be paying a premium for a name...nothing more.

Just so you all know.

[fatfreepork]

I haven't used tcc5 but i do own some tccd and i know how well it performs. How much premium are we looking at exactly?

[Tony]

I haven't used tcc5 but i do own some tccd and i know how well it performs. How much premium are we looking at exactly?

Could be $20+US per module more hard to say, depends on IC prices

[amrgb]

Personally, I like to know what chips are on a stick to begin with. I know that the Heatspreaders are part of your marketing just like everyone else that uses them but I would like to see chip ID's on the labels.

I second Major's opinion.

My experience with both TCCD and TCC5 is clearly favouring TCCD, although my TCC5 sticks were far from bad.

What seems interesting is the change in attitude by OCZ. First TCCD were no longer available/produced. Now it seems that it is available/produced again and are considering a reintroduction of TCCD in their line of products. Ok, maybe things in the supply side have changed.

But I bet that the (possible) reintroduction of the TCCD in the OCZ's line of products will be much better publicized than its subtitution by TCC5

[Eldonko]

Would you have high-binned TCCD only or a bunch of speeds, ie 3200, 4200, 4800?

[eva2000]

i haven't tried TCC5 yet so hard to say - but reading more probs with TCC5 in past but partly due to more aggressively binned TCC5 ?

Also heard Samsung UCCC been thrown around ??????

[uscfan]

You should label every stick you own with the IC's that they have.

Rather you could put a code on the corner of the PCB that overclockers can correspond with a database on your website or something... kind of like the BP pcb code, but for the IC.

I dont think that TCC5 is bad, it can do just as good as TCCD or better. It would be nice though to know what you are getting.

[Tony]

I second Major's opinion.

My experience with both TCCD and TCC5 is clearly favouring TCCD, although my TCC5 sticks were far from bad.

What seems interesting is the change in attitude by OCZ. First TCCD were no longer available/produced. Now it seems that it is available/produced again and are considering a reintroduction of TCCD in their line of products. Ok, maybe things in the supply side have changed.

But I bet that the (possible) reintroduction of the TCCD in the OCZ's line of products will be much better publicized than its subtitution by TCC5

We " may" be able to get a limited stock, as far as we know samsung are still not producing TCCD but this may change.

We are asking you guys if it is worth doing, we feel TCC5 is as good but we wanted customer feedback.

[Tony]

You should label every stick you own with the IC's that they have.

Rather you could put a code on the corner of the PCB that overclockers can correspond with a database on your website or something... kind of like the BP pcb code, but for the IC.

I dont think that TCC5 is bad, it can do just as good as TCCD or better. It would be nice though to know what you are getting.

The issue is OCZ are ALWAYS first to find soemthing new, everyone else then copies, so we need a head start, thats why we are secretive for a while.

[thephenom]

I think it's a good idea to see TCCD back from OCZ.

But I would personally like to see some work done to the VX too. While seeing everyone with the Mushkin Redline hitting 265-275 on avg with their PC4000, I'm slightly disappointed at the couple of PC4000VX kits only hitting 260-265 MAX.

While high fsb might appeal to others, tight timings probably appeal to a lot of people too especially since A64 doesn't take much of a hit running dividers.

[amrgb]

My opinion is that if you introduce TCCD parts costing 20-30 USD more than the TCC5 equivalents, most probably you will sell more TCCD parts than TCC5.

I speak for myself. When I bought my OCZ Plat rev2 sticks, they cost me almost 300 EUR. There were other cheaper alternatives in the TCCD field, like Patriot XBLK priced around 250-260 EUR (I can't remeber precisely).

I went for the OCZ because the information I collected favoured the OCZ sticks.

Now imagine that at that time, you put me TCC5 stuff priced at say 250 EUR, side by side with the Plat rev2 TCCD. With little information about TCC5 and/or information about some weak results, I would not hesitate to pay 50 EUR (60 USD) more by the well known TCCD.

I look at TCCD as a safe bet (as safe as it can be, of course) and TCC5 more lika a shot in the dark, due to the different amount of results backin each type of memory. I would be willing to pay more than 20 USD more to be on the safe side.

[LBJGH]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

who really who cares what's under the heatspreaders? ... so long as the performance is still there.

[amrgb]

The issue is OCZ are ALWAYS first to find soemthing new, everyone else then copies, so we need a head start, thats why we are secretive for a while.

I understand the need to maintain some thing secret.

But the secret around the TCC5 use (that's what you are talking about, isn't it?) will only remain secret until one remove the heatspreaders, voiding the warranty, and read the IC's label.

A simple user may think twice before doing that. But another manufacturer would do it without blinking their eyes and... bye bye OCZ's secret.

Honestly, this method is too weak to keep secret from OCZ's competitors, but alot more effective to keep it secret from customers. To keep secret from competitors, the OCZ must use blank IC's.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

who really who cares what's under the heatspreaders? ... so long as the performance is still there.

Nice comparison

The question is that for many people there is not enough information yet for one to conclude by himself that it quacks like a duck. Once everyone knows for certain that it quacks like a duck no one would ever buy TCCD again (provided that TCC5 is cheaper).

[poiuy223]

i see no point other than OCZ satisfying their customers' whining complaints. again like i always argue, tcc5 based ocz is still good. my tccd pc4800 wont clock higher than my tcc5 based pc5000. if ocz continues to bin it themselves and guarantee the high speeds, theres no difference. its the same as selling utt pc4000 and utt pc3200. you're guaranteed the speeds. if ocz bins tcc5 at pc4800 and guarantees that speed, why would anyone want to pay an extra $40 per kit just to be guaranteed tccd? i have a crapload of tccd with me. a lot of them wont even do what my pc5000 tcc5 can do. should i start complaining that tccd isnt as great as everyone thinks it is? and those sticks include, corsair pc3200xl v1.2 (tccd with bp), adata pc4800 (tccd with bp), and centon advanced pc3200ll (tccd with bp). none of them can really reach pc5000 2.5-4-3-7 stable.

only reason i would vote yes is so that you can get whiners off ocz's back.

[Duonger]

I dont normally post on other companies thread but I did ask BIGTOE if I could comment..

TCCD and TCC5 are basically the same. We have not seen much difference either. With the recent press release by the "dark side" aka evil empire, i think it is a marketing ploy. Look will you pay $197 for a 1gig dual kits of tccd vs $149 for a dual kit of tcc5 that performs the same??

Duonger

[InSanCen]

i see no point other than OCZ satisfying their customers' whining complaints. again like i always argue, tcc5 based ocz is still good. my tccd pc4800 wont clock higher than my tcc5 based pc5000. if ocz continues to bin it themselves and guarantee the high speeds, theres no difference. its the same as selling utt pc4000 and utt pc3200. you're guaranteed the speeds. if ocz bins tcc5 at pc4800 and guarantees that speed, why would anyone want to pay an extra $40 per kit just to be guaranteed tccd? i have a crapload of tccd with me. a lot of them wont even do what my pc5000 tcc5 can do. should i start complaining that tccd isnt as great as everyone thinks it is? and those sticks include, corsair pc3200xl v1.2 (tccd with bp), adata pc4800 (tccd with bp), and centon advanced pc3200ll (tccd with bp). none of them can really reach pc5000 2.5-4-3-7 stable.

only reason i would vote yes is so that you can get whiners off ocz's back.

Best post yet.

Get whatever clocks best, although I can see OCZ making a fair bit of profit from said Whingers... and well done to them for doing it.

[Tony]

We ofcourse will remain as competetive as we can. We just wanted to know what the level headed guys on XS actaully thought , and i thank you for your comments, keep em coming and do please vote.

[cupra]

We " may" be able to get a limited stock, as far as we know samsung are still not producing TCCD but this may change.

We are asking you guys if it is worth doing, we feel TCC5 is as good but we wanted customer feedback.

you get my feedback, i vote yes

[Eldonko]

only reason i would vote yes is so that you can get whiners off ocz's back.

Whiners have $$ too, its about providing the customer with what they want. If an enthusiast likes TCCD to the extent that he would switch to Corsair to get it, OCZ has to consider that. Thats the point of this thread, to measure the interest.

[poiuy223]

Whiners have $$ too, its about providing the customer with what they want. If an enthusiast likes TCCD to the extent that he would switch to Corsair to get it, OCZ has to consider that. Thats the point of this thread, to measure the interest.

yes thats true. but i thought overclockers here want the fastest available? since when did overclockers really go after whats underneath the heatspreaders? sure when bh5 stopped and VX started, everyone wondered about the replacements. but you dont see people complaining that it comes untested. there's higher risk with UTT stuff, but no one really cared. it still got them the great 2-2-2 250MHZ+ results. whats the point of getting tccd when tcc5 is cheaper and can do just as well, especially when ocz does all the binning and guarantees? it'll be like complaining that UTT bh5 isnt bh5 and they dont want that crap. why dont people say that instead?