I need Kobe Tai to come over and bite my tongue.

[Charles Wirth]

We all know how this is going to end

Intel 0 reboots AMD 125 reboots

A, Someone should have slept at a Holliday Inn express last night.
B, Bench monkey is on vacation.
C, The Amiga classes did not help the THG team with AMD/Intel setup as promised.
D, Hellen Keller was a bad choice to lead this project.
E, They have no clue what they are doing.

[[XC] leviathan18]

^^ didnt get the joke

[Hans.Gruber]

If they at THG are not skilled enough to build a system, why AMD is running 24/7 ?

I would understand that they fooked something, but not this much.
Also many other sites have had lots of problems with Intel dual cores.

It is (Intel dual core) a really pathetic CPU that Intel released in panic.

[Ailleur]

Ill agree i wouldnt buy a pentium D, but to use the word panic is kinda funny

Im sure if you had side by side a celeon 2ghz and an a64 3000+, the customer would still buy the intel cpu, so i very much doubt intel is scared heh

[[XC] leviathan18]

ailleur not at that level but high end they are quite scared :P

[MaxxxRacer]

dont worry guys. its going on the front page. kazoo will post it when she gets home.

[Hans.Gruber]

Im sure if you had side by side a celeon 2ghz and an a64 3000+, the customer would still buy the intel cpu, so i very much doubt intel is scared heh

But it's the corporate customers that Intel is afraid to loose.
Corporate customers are usually very loyal if you get to be their supplier, AND that is were the money is.
Also AMD is is increasing x86 server sales faster than Intel (big money).

So that word panic does apply quite well to Intel, just use the internet..

btw. this is great news for us since Intel is not going away, they just have competition and they are going to improve.

[[XC] leviathan18]

4k rpm for the intel fan weird is going faster but load temp is 70°c and i dont get why the amd systems just encoded 30min of video :S

[MaxxxRacer]

amd is encoding so little becuase windows for some unknown reason decided to se the encoding priority REALLY low instead of normal where it should be and THG wont change it becuase this is just somethign windows is doing.. i can see how this is fair, but with how many concessions were made for the intel machine, why not give amd a break here and let it have a fighting chance with the encoding. besides if they do that the other benchmarks intel is getting slammed in will not be so drastic losses. thigns will balance out more.

[[XC] leviathan18]

better to see just amd losing 1 and intel getting owned in the other 3 xD somebody here knows ppl over thg to talk to them ????

[wfarid]

Isnt anyone wondering why in the hell cant that guy setup a pc correctly. If intel computers burst into flames 3 times in a day in real life, dell would be out of business. I think this "test" has goten way too much press and seems to be done by people who could crash a toaster oven.

most people don't run crazy stability stress tests. Rarely (like once in a blue-moon) do Dell users place anywhere near the stress the THG is putting those chips under.

[Lithan]

So they finally admitted that they P4D isn't stable on stock and upgraded the cooling eh?

I can only say one thing....

Booyah! Who yo daddy!

[perkam]

I dont think its healthy to criticize Intel's Dual Core platform just because of heat. Perhaps AMD's X2 series runs cooler, however, anyone here at Xtreme should already know that if they're buying a smithfield, its meant to used under watercooling, heck even the reviews tell you that much.

Under watercooling, a 4ghz Smithfield can do many things in many ways to both an X2 and an FX ...I mean, if they were encoding apps here, even if the 840EE had rebooted 10 times, it would still be a head in encoding tasks lol. Each processor has its own pros and cons.

Also, this isnt Intel's definitive dual core solution. You'd have to wait for Presler or Dempsey - which happens to be two 65nm cores clocked at up to 3.8ghz on air...So we have yet to see Intel's full potential with their dual core strategy and members should know better than to scoff at Intel just because of one mere stress test. By no means am I pro-intel, but i've learned not to biased towards AMD either.

Perkam

[Lithan]

According to reviews I've seen perkam, X2 kicks the crap out of P4D's in most encoding programs. And single core P4 with HT also beat them in at least half of the tests I've seen.

[Hans.Gruber]

I dont think its healthy to criticize Intel's Dual Core platform just because of heat.

Plenty of reason for most.

Perhaps AMD's X2 series runs cooler

Perhaps ?

Under watercooling, a 4ghz Smithfield can do many things in many ways to both an X2 and an FX

AMD X2 can do under watercooling things that no other CPU can do.

Each processor has its own pros and cons.

What cons AMD X2 has ? (dont say price, we know it's not cheapest).

Also, this isnt Intel's definitive dual core solution.

You'd have to wait for Presler or Dempsey - which happens to be two 65nm cores clocked at up to 3.8ghz on air...So we have yet to see Intel's full potential with their dual core strategy

It is the best what Intel has for x86 !
Also todays CPU'sare not "final solution", both AMD and Intel will improve.
So what is your point ?

members should know better than to scoff at Intel just because of one mere stress test.

It's amusing.

[Lithan]

Doth thou skoff?
I skoffeth!

[MaxxxRacer]

And now we all step into a new level of rediculousness.

btw intel is coming up on teh 10 hour mark.. wonder if it is going to crash or not?

[perkam]

I wouldn't doubt them just yet http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=61987

Hmmm...I dont really wanna turn this into Intel vs AMD, as long as its healthy jeering, I guess I shouldn't mind

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

perkam you cant say future dampsey or preseler will be better they still are netburst tecnology and when those cpus come amd will have m2 socket around here so we may see in the future which is better

[perkam]

perkam you cant say future dampsey or preseler will be better they still are netburst tecnology and when those cpus come amd will have m2 socket around here so we may see in the future which is better

Yea and it'll require DDR2 But actually, the reason I am trying to convince you guys of comparing it with Pressler was because it will be coming q1 2006...Socket m2 wont come until Second half of 2006...think q3 or q4 of 2006 : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05...t_m2_desktops/ .

That's why

Perkam

[[XC] leviathan18]

i wont trust the inquirer and yes it will use ddr2 but at least there are some nice memories running low latencies and they said they will start with 667

you have to remember when intel move from northwood to prescott they changed the process and they cpu well get hotter and clock for clock the northwood were better.

i dont know if the next core revision from intel is going to be better or if the amd revision or new socket is going to be better the only thing in know is right now amd solution is far better than any intel solution except for mobile market.

the dual core race is just begining and i think the firs step is for amd a lower consuption cpu cooler and better

[trance565]

most people don't run crazy stability stress tests. Rarely (like once in a blue-moon) do Dell users place anywhere near the stress the THG is putting those chips under.

lol, im sorry to say dude, but WoW and FFXI put my cpu under more stress than prime or PI, or any other stress test things ive found, seriously, no program has been able to heat up my cpu so much as to get it so i cant touch my heatsink, and final fantasy has, and YES my fan was running, and ALOT of people play games such as WoW and FFXI and HL2 and whatnot so really, they DO put their comps under stress


btw, it took me an hour and a can of compressed air to get the heatsink cool enuff for me to remove it

[Lithan]

Games dont stress your cpu more then complex mathematics. They stress your motherboard, ram and graphics more. My guess is that dell will have a complex heatpipe structure with a large fan (possibly more than one) to cool these things. But that's just a guess.

[notoriousformula]

This is their Pentium D 840EE, a chip known to run that hot. One, that as far as I know, is not offered by Dell, as they tend to not use intel's top end chips... These temps ARE the same as every other reviewer showed, and actually a bit lower, as most said they had an IDLE of 60C!

:::edit:::

They DEFINITELY changed the fan on it, I'm not sure about the cooler entirely, but definitely the fan!

Dell uses all Intel Top-end chips, what they don't use is Intel's Stock Heatsink/Fan.. Last time i looked into a friend's Dell XPC(Dell's Gaming Computers w/ Intel high-end chips), It was using this huge Aluminum finned block with 120mm fan.

[MaxxxRacer]

EDIT: No btx cooler was used so this thread is kinda pointelss now u know.


*slaps fugger on the wrist*