Intel spills beans on Yonah, the next notebook chip

[notoriousformula]

AN FRANCISCO--Yonah, a notebook chip coming from Intel in the first part of next year, is going to be a lot different than its predecessors, company executives say.

The chip, which will be made on the 65-nanometer process, will come with a number of enhancements over the current Pentium M line of notebook chips, Mooly Eden, vice president of the mobility group, said at a briefing here.

For one thing, it will contain two cores, instead of the single core on current notebook chips. The two separate cores will also share a 2MB cache. Current dual-core desktop chips from Advanced Micro Devices and Intel come with similar sized caches, but each core accesses only 1MB of cache memory dedicated to it. Sharing the cache will significantly boost performance. (The chips communicate with the cache through a single bus embedded in the chip.)

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Here is Tom's Hardware Yonah dual-core processor to get 'Smart Cache', Hyper-Threading Article: Link

[Cooper]

Pentium M x50 -> 2.17 ГГц,dual-core , 667 MHz, 2 MB cache -> $637;
Pentium M x40 -> 2.0 ГГц,dual-core , 667 MHz, 2 MB cache -> $423;
Pentium M x30 -> 1.83 GHz, dual-core, 667 MHz, 2 MB cache -> $294;
Pentium M x20 -> 1.67 GHz,dual-core , 667 Mhz, 2 MB cache -> $241;
Pentium M x18 -> 1.67 GHz, single core(Dothan), 667 Mhz, 2 MB cache -> $209.
TDP=31W
there will be two models with low voltage
Pentium M x48 -> 1.67 GHz, dual-core, 667 MHz , 2 MB cache -> $316;
Pentium M x38 -> 1.5 GHz, dual-core, 667 MHz , 2 MB cache -> $284.
TDP=16W
These processors will work with i945PM & i945GM chipsets. Also 955XM is mentioned
Source x86-secret

[[XC] leviathan18]

nice info cooper prices are OK! i guess is the 65nm process

[perkam]

Any idea where it will be produced ???

Might give us an idea of its infrastructure.

Perkam

[Cooper]

Well tech process surely will be 65nm. Also Hyper-Threading and power saving systems will be included. To save even more power one of the cores could be switched-off. Yonah will have mPGA478MT socket, but it will be different from the ones for P4. Yonah`s is on the right.

[DriveEuro]

And it also won't be 64bit.. This could be a drawback for Intel. But Windows XP64 hasn't proved to be totally worth the upgrade yet either.

[enzoR]

they should have made it 800fsb

[saaya]

its not 64bit? hmmmmm

[Cooper]

enzor OC it

[Mikesta]

When will these guys be available? Q1 2006?

I really think that the x50 will probably beat the crap out of the X2 4800+ at stock.

Just a question for the Dothan P-M experts out there, how does only 1mb lvl2 cache of Celeron-M compare in real world apps with proper 2mb lvl2 cache?

Even if the hit is significant I'd venture to say that the optimisations that Intel will give Yonah alone will help it the X2. With HT (HT with 2x32k lvl1 cache will be great!) it will blow away the X2.

I wonder how people are gonna overclock these Dothan's....if they run on 667 bus, DDR2-900 on x50 will yield ~ 2.928. Probably quiet acheivable on stock air.

With 4-2-2-x timings and massive bandwidth these CPU's will be killers.

Personally I hope they come with decent heat spreaders and sockets so I can get something like an XP-120 on it. Over 3Ghz will probably be no problem. By then I'm guessing DDR2-1000 at 4-2-2-X will probably be available. Let me calc. the 1:1 clock with that stuff....3.253ghz.

I'm just hoping that the chipset's will be able to handle this kind of memory. I'm assuming CPU's will. If not on stock then with w/c'ing.

Man 2006 will be so exciting! I just wonder what AMD is gonna do to compete? It's CPU's will be the flame throwing energy draining beasts relative to Yonah especially on 90mn process with X2 5000 , 5200+!

[Gorgeous]

When will these guys be available? Q1 2006?

I really think that the x50 will probably beat the crap out of the X2 4800+ at stock.

Just a question for the Dothan P-M experts out there, how does only 1mb lvl2 cache of Celeron-M compare in real world apps with proper 2mb lvl2 cache?

Even if the hit is significant I'd venture to say that the optimisations that Intel will give Yonah alone will help it the X2. With HT (HT with 2x32k lvl1 cache will be great!) it will blow away the X2.

I wonder how people are gonna overclock these Dothan's....if they run on 667 bus, DDR2-900 on x50 will yield ~ 2.928. Probably quiet acheivable on stock air.

With 4-2-2-x timings and massive bandwidth these CPU's will be killers.

Personally I hope they come with decent heat spreaders and sockets so I can get something like an XP-120 on it. Over 3Ghz will probably be no problem. By then I'm guessing DDR2-1000 at 4-2-2-X will probably be available. Let me calc. the 1:1 clock with that stuff....3.253ghz.

I'm just hoping that the chipset's will be able to handle this kind of memory. I'm assuming CPU's will. If not on stock then with w/c'ing.

Man 2006 will be so exciting! I just wonder what AMD is gonna do to compete? It's CPU's will be the flame throwing energy draining beasts relative to Yonah especially on 90mn process with X2 5000 , 5200+!

Yes because you can overclock LAPTOP chips pretty well....especially considering there wont be a desktop motherboard which can accept the mPGA478MT socket....

Yonah will have mPGA478MT socket, but it will be different from the ones for P4. Yonah`s is on the right.

[DriveEuro]

its not 64bit? hmmmmm

Yes, it won't be. Warp2search posted something about that last week I believe.

[Mikesta]

Yes because you can overclock LAPTOP chips pretty well....especially considering there wont be a desktop motherboard which can accept the mPGA478MT socket....

If it is incompatible with current desktop solutions (M/B's, Adaptor) then someone will make a solution pretty quick. If so I see wholesale desertion of AMD by enthusiasts migrating to Yonah.

[robberbaron]

If it is incompatible with current desktop solutions (M/B's, Adaptor) then someone will make a solution pretty quick. If so I see wholesale desertion of AMD by enthusiasts migrating to Yonah.

Perhaps, but, I like Windows x64 so far. Yonah wouldn't exactly make for a good upgrade. It's a nice downgrade though

[Spanky Deluxe]

I'm looking forward to seeing one of these puppies sitting in the next generation of powerbooks! That's one of the first places they'll probably appear and it will probably be the first system that Apple will use Intel chips in since they're dying to make newer powerbooks but can't with their current G5 processors! My lovely Dell P-M system is still ticking over nicely but being able to have something that looks like an Apple, runs OS-X and can also run Windows with probably only a teeny weeny bit of work sounds a-ok to me.

[notoriousformula]

Corrected: Intel decides to hold 64-bit mobile CPU launch until 2Q06 10:30AM
AMD will take a headstart and a chance for the lead in the 64-bit mobile CPU market with its forthcoming Turion 64, as Intel will not launch its 64-bit mobile CPU until the second quarter of 2006, Taiwan notebook makers said.

Notebook makers are currently preparing their lineups for the new AMD Turion 64-bit notebooks, sources in the Taiwan notebook industry observed. A February 5 article stated that Hewlett-Packard (HP), Acer and Asustek Computer are increasing their respective orders for AMD-based notebooks this year.

In addition, Microsoft will release its Windows XP 64-bit edition this quarter, according to a CNET 1 March report. AMD Turion 64 should be the only standard to support the version before the availability of Intel's 64-bit mobile CPU.

Editor's note: In the original article, we incorrectly stated that Intel would be delaying its Yonah CPU and erroneously cited a Register article as a source. The Register stated that Intel would release its ultra-low Yonah CPU in the second quarter of 2006.

what Processor they are trying to hold? Yonnah? Yonnah is the only Mobile processor coming in 2006 from Intel. and Yonnah is a part of NAPA platform.

I'm sure Yonnah has 64bit support.


EDIT: I also read that Apple is going to use Yonnah for their computers in 2006, not sure if they will use them for desktops.. Intel D's are running very hot on Intel's own chipset lols.

[Mr. Tinker]

I'm sure Yonnah has 64bit support.

At first it will not.

[alexio]

133mhz bus
2.17Ghz topmodel

I think a dual-core dothan can do better than that. It is very clear that they are trying to keep it cheap because it's dual-core and AMD is somewhat behind in the mobile platform. Or do they have problems with the 65nm process? Prices are very good though so I'm still happy. Just the clocks are soooooo low.

[Cooper]

Some new pics of Intel`s future processors: Dempsey(XeonDP), Presler(desktop), Yonah(mobile), Montecito(Itanium). Also Smithfield.

[Mikesta]

133mhz bus
2.17Ghz topmodel

I think a dual-core dothan can do better than that. It is very clear that they are trying to keep it cheap because it's dual-core and AMD is somewhat behind in the mobile platform. Or do they have problems with the 65nm process? Prices are very good though so I'm still happy. Just the clocks are soooooo low.

Where does it say that this runs on a 133 bus? My impression is that it is on running on DDR2 667 which is great if my assumption is correct (Same as AMD's M2 Socket CPU's).

If that is the case who cares about the low clock? It will be easy to overclock to around 3.0ghz, meaning it won't be that far behind a stock Pentium D, except that it will rape in for performance and consume less power.

[DilTech]

When will these guys be available? Q1 2006?

I really think that the x50 will probably beat the crap out of the X2 4800+ at stock.

Just a question for the Dothan P-M experts out there, how does only 1mb lvl2 cache of Celeron-M compare in real world apps with proper 2mb lvl2 cache?

Even if the hit is significant I'd venture to say that the optimisations that Intel will give Yonah alone will help it the X2. With HT (HT with 2x32k lvl1 cache will be great!) it will blow away the X2.

I wonder how people are gonna overclock these Dothan's....if they run on 667 bus, DDR2-900 on x50 will yield ~ 2.928. Probably quiet acheivable on stock air.

With 4-2-2-x timings and massive bandwidth these CPU's will be killers.

Personally I hope they come with decent heat spreaders and sockets so I can get something like an XP-120 on it. Over 3Ghz will probably be no problem. By then I'm guessing DDR2-1000 at 4-2-2-X will probably be available. Let me calc. the 1:1 clock with that stuff....3.253ghz.

I'm just hoping that the chipset's will be able to handle this kind of memory. I'm assuming CPU's will. If not on stock then with w/c'ing.

Man 2006 will be so exciting! I just wonder what AMD is gonna do to compete? It's CPU's will be the flame throwing energy draining beasts relative to Yonah especially on 90mn process with X2 5000 , 5200+!

Those dual core yohans will be facing off against QUAD CORE a64's!... 2k6 marks the release of those chips... Socket M baby! You *really* expect a dual core chip to beat a quad cored a64?

Also, how do YOU know they'll overclock so far? That's all speculation, and if you say "well it's on 65nm", so is amd's quad core chips... Yep, that's right, next round of chips from AMD is going 65nm as well! Whatever benefit it gives intel would also hold true for AMD, now wouldn't it?

[MaxxxRacer]

ok that itanic core is just nuts... no wonder they scrapped the program and were charging several grand a cpu.. the core is the size of the entire prescott package...

[saaya]

woa nice pics there cooper! those deserve their own news thread
anmd yeah the size of the itanium is just mindblowing... how many of them do they fit on a wafer? 20? and how many of them will be functional? 2? 1? 1 every few wafers?

and yonah is def 64bits, im very sure about it! intel has added sse3 support to their dothans, they want to have their mobile chips as feature rich as their desktop chips, so it will def be 64bit. and apple is going for yonah chips and they sure wont go back to 32bits after they already went 64bits before everybody else!

[Mikesta]

Those dual core yohans will be facing off against QUAD CORE a64's!... 2k6 marks the release of those chips... Socket M baby! You *really* expect a dual core chip to beat a quad cored a64?

Also, how do YOU know they'll overclock so far? That's all speculation, and if you say "well it's on 65nm", so is amd's quad core chips... Yep, that's right, next round of chips from AMD is going 65nm as well! Whatever benefit it gives intel would also hold true for AMD, now wouldn't it?

OK so I am speculating, but I am going off some reasonable assumptions. The current Dothan's O/C extremely well as they are even with weak heatsinks/fans. With a proper socket (and also a proper heatspreeder) we'd be able to get better heatsinks or watercooling for these baby's. I am also assuming that 65nm will help in this regard. Lookng at the TDP these things aren't putting out much heat to begin with.

OH and BTW when will AMD have quad-core availalble on desktop? We will be extremely lucky to get that any earlier then very late 2006. Yonah will be out far before then.

I do assume that 65nm process will benefit A64, but at the moment 90nm Dothan > 90nm A64. Yonah will be a highly optimised revamped dual-core version of Dothan, so I'm willing to bet that 65nm Dothan > 65nm A64. It requires so much less power then a64 as well.

What I am waiting for is to see what/when K9 is going to be/out. K8 will not be able to compete with an optimised version of Dothan if the Intel Processor is not hamstrung my platform architecture.

As I have stated I am speculating but I believe I'm going off reasonable assumptions. Make of it what you will.

[Cooper]

If there will be adaptor or mobo for Yonah I`m sure Intel won`t have a chance to sell any of NetBurst processors (Prescott2M, Smithfield, Presler).