News: MVP "Master" card = r520?

[saaya]

http://news.mydrivers.com/pages/2005...1125_22331.htm

ATi anticipated in June 2 on Computex2005 issued the MVPU multi- indicators parallel technology, the official name is CrossFire (cross fire), exchanges fire the product to anticipate goes on the market the sale in late June. Exchanges fire a technical requirement main card and a sub- card, the main card is R520 and its grows the mainstream and the low end product, the sub- card is present X800/X800XL/X850XT. Outside exchanges fire the technology originally not to need to meet the installment, but ATi has abandoned this kind of plan, exchanges fire the technology now to need a DVI data line (or similar product) connects two indicators, is similar to the 3dfx SLI ties. ATi at the Computex2005 congress issued two section supports exchanges fire the technical chip group, separately aims at Intel and the AMD platform, 2 exchange fire the technical indicator sur- chip group graph essence, may support to 5 monitors. ATi cannot issue R520 on Computex2005, but can demonstrate this kind integrates 24 to exaggerate the pipeline, 512MB reveals the graph chip product which saves.

can somebody check the translation? did i misunderstand it?
this sounds like the r520 will be the master card and an x800 card will be the doughter card? but r520 is sm3.0 and x800s arent

[s7e9h3n]

http://news.mydrivers.com/pages/2005...1125_22331.htm



can somebody check the translation? did i misunderstand it?
this sounds like the r520 will be the master card and an x800 card will be the doughter card? but r520 is sm3.0 and x800s arent

Ooops, thought I was in PM.....

[koei]

"ATI scheduled at the June 2nd Computex2005 release the new MVPU technology. Called "Crossfire", it will be available in stores by the end of June. Crossfire requires a master and a slave card. The master card will be based on the R520 high end to low end cards. Slave card will be the current X800/X800XL and X850XT.

Crossfire originally does not require external connection, but ATI abadoned that idea. Crossfire now requires a DVI line to connect the two cards, like the 3dfx SLI setup. ATI will release two models of chipsets that supports Crossfire, for Intel and AMD platforms respectively. 2 Crossfire cards plus chipset setup, can support up to 5 monitor. (?) ATI will not release R520 at Computex, but will showcase GPU products features it, having 24 pipeline and 512MB of memory."

[saaya]

but that doesnt make any sence... how will a sm3.0 card be the master card and a sm2.0 card the slave card? how can the image be split between the two if they cant render at the same quality? this doesnt make sence... maybe they misunderstood it?

24 pipes sounds about right though, im sure r520 has 32 pipes but the first samples will only have 24 pipes, just like ati first launched the x800 cards with 12 pipes and later enabled the full 16 pipes.

[FireDragon]

Yeah that makes NO sense...as the images will be different...and not the same even...I wonder how they are going to deal with that then...

Dragon

[saaya]

maybe you can either get a r520 with your current card but you will only be able to run sm2.0?

and sm3.0 mvp is only possible with two 520s?

but this sounds like they misunderstood something...

[kryptobs2000]

ati just keeps getting better and better. Anyone think even beside the fact that sli has been out for 6+ months that sli is still much better implimented than this crossfire crap? oh well, I still have hopes that the r520 will be good, but something tells me the 7800 gtx will win, either way dosn't matter, I'll get whicher is faster, but I was kinda looking forward to maybe going back over to ati's camp this gen.

[FireDragon]

IDK I think that they might have misunder stood something...

Dragon

[clayton]

What I heard was they're planning to make 2 versions of R520. One Master and slave version.
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Herbal Grinder

[MAValpha]

24 pipes sounds about right though, im sure r520 has 32 pipes but the first samples will only have 24 pipes, just like ati first launched the x800 cards with 12 pipes and later enabled the full 16 pipes.

Actually, I think the X800 was the other way around. The X800XT/PE was supposed to have 16 pipes, and then the 12-pipe Pro was ATI's last-second answer to the 6800GT.

Selling two different versions of R520 would be a really, REALLY bad idea IMO.

[kryptobs2000]

What I heard was they're planning to make 2 versions of R520. One Master and slave version.

What is the point in making a slave version

[SnipingWaste]

Here's some of my post at beyond3d.

With all the info out now, in the box thinking is getting no were. Im thinking out side the box to look for answer with th info out there. The strange thing is with a SLI setup there is no Master or Slave. Both cards are looked as the same but from the info coming out now it looks like ATI setup that you have to have a master card for it to work. There is no master/slave setup with SLI so what is ATI doing? I think what there coming out with is not SLI but somthing different. If there making a master card then what is it controling?

All the talk is about SLI but non have ever thought about it not being SLI but somthing else. Its strange in this fourm that there has been no talk about it being somtheing else with all the ppl here and knowlage they know.

If different gen card will work then is it realy SLI. Could we be seeing some thing different like not spliting the screen to divide work load but spliting what work to what card by what will be able to do it or whaqt card can do it the fastest.

Example

The 2 cards being a R520 and a R420.

The R520 will do all the SM3.0 and long SM2.0 shaders and passing the standered SM2.0 and lower shader to the R420 to do. The same with VS.

[kryptobs2000]

Here's some of my post at beyond3d.

With all the info out now, in the box thinking is getting no were. Im thinking out side the box to look for answer with th info out there. The strange thing is with a SLI setup there is no Master or Slave. Both cards are looked as the same but from the info coming out now it looks like ATI setup that you have to have a master card for it to work. There is no master/slave setup with SLI so what is ATI doing? I think what there coming out with is not SLI but somthing different. If there making a master card then what is it controling?

All the talk is about SLI but non have ever thought about it not being SLI but somthing else. Its strange in this fourm that there has been no talk about it being somtheing else with all the ppl here and knowlage they know.

If different gen card will work then is it realy SLI. Could we be seeing some thing different like not spliting the screen to divide work load but spliting what work to what card by what will be able to do it or whaqt card can do it the fastest.

Example

The 2 cards being a R520 and a R420.

The R520 will do all the SM3.0 and long SM2.0 shaders and passing the standered SM2.0 and lower shader to the R420 to do. The same with VS.

Ati has already said that it is a sli like thing, thats the whole point. But here's something new:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23522

I've always wanted to use fsaa up to 14x, I get so many jaggies with just 6x as it is I am being a little cynical here, amr or crossfire or w/e they decide to call it with the constant name changes to get more press coverage is dissapointing me, and I'm already baised against ati becuase of this last generation, but I'm sure sli is capable of everything amr is, nvidia just havn't seen the need to impliment it.

edit: btw, a single 6800 GT/Ultra is capable of 16x anti aliasing, but it'll just run too slow and whats the point if at 4x you don't even have jaggies?

[[XC] leviathan18]

with 1600 x 1400 resolution and 2x or 4x you dont see jaggies is very hard to see them.

this is more similar to alienware approach of sli....

[freecableguy]

Why would you need a special chipset if they are connected externally like 3Dfx Voodoo 3 card were? This is dumb.

[kryptobs2000]

Why would you need a special chipset if they are connected externally like 3Dfx Voodoo 3 card were? This is dumb.

Money

[Wiggy McShades]

wow i must say this cross fire thing sounds way more complicated than it should of been. i think ati promised to many things they shouldnt have. the external connector is just impractical you need to use some special "hub" or atleast thats what i heard last, having it compatible with the older cards wich i guess is good really shouldnt of been done because now we have stuff like this where it will probally end up the older slave card isnt going to give as much performance or wont be able to be used with newer games, and the special chipsets is stupid none of these "technologies" is comunicating through the pci-e lanes so why you need a "special" chipset is just beyond me. im just sticking to the single r520 none of this cross fire, amr, or sli bull crap.

[freecableguy]

wow i must say this cross fire thing sounds way more complicated than it should of been. i think ati promised to many things they shouldnt have. the external connector is just impractical you need to use some special "hub" or atleast thats what i heard last and having it compatible with the older cards wich i guess is good really shouldnt of been done because now we have stuff like this where it will probally end up the older slave card isnt going to give as much performance or wont be able to be used with newer games. im just sticking to the single r520 none of this cross fire, amr, or sli bull crap.

Word

[koei]

ATI and nVidia should just merge into one for the sake of simplicity.

[HiJon89]

ATI and nVidia should just merge into one for the sake of simplicity.

I think that would be very bad for consumers. If the two largest video card companies merged, they would have no one to compete with so they would stop working on new technologies and jack up prices ridiculously high because people would have no one else to buy from. I think in this situation the ATI vs. Nvidia competition is a very good thing.

[kryptobs2000]

They already are jacking up the prices enough

[perkam]

It wont make sense for ATI to have R520 Master and R520 Slave cards considering the current gen cards will be slaves because they are current gen and pre-crossfire...but ALL nex gen card should be master card (lol mastercard ) compatible because they are post-crossfire and have no excuse not to be imo...

Perkam

[josanai]

Hopefully most of this information is wrong, as I would hope the engineers at ATi are an intelligent group, and would be able to development something a bit more elegant.

[aMp]

Last I heard the master card would drop its performance level to that of the slave, but that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Let me work out the math here....

The R520's fastest iterations are supposed to be roughly twice as fast as current-gen cards. So: I'll spend $500-600 on the newest and fastest ATi card, and proceed to drop it into a Crossfire board with my "old" X800 XT -- at which point the R520 slows down to the speed of the X800 XT, making my brand-new multi-GPU system roughly as fast as...my R520 alone! (But with driver bugs!)

Somebody tell me those early reports were wrong. Please.

-aMp-

[edited for stupidity]

[saaya]

Here's some of my post at beyond3d.

With all the info out now, in the box thinking is getting no were. Im thinking out side the box to look for answer with th info out there. The strange thing is with a SLI setup there is no Master or Slave. Both cards are looked as the same but from the info coming out now it looks like ATI setup that you have to have a master card for it to work. There is no master/slave setup with SLI so what is ATI doing? I think what there coming out with is not SLI but somthing different. If there making a master card then what is it controling?

All the talk is about SLI but non have ever thought about it not being SLI but somthing else. Its strange in this fourm that there has been no talk about it being somtheing else with all the ppl here and knowlage they know.

If different gen card will work then is it realy SLI. Could we be seeing some thing different like not spliting the screen to divide work load but spliting what work to what card by what will be able to do it or whaqt card can do it the fastest.

Example

The 2 cards being a R520 and a R420.

The R520 will do all the SM3.0 and long SM2.0 shaders and passing the standered SM2.0 and lower shader to the R420 to do. The same with VS.

sli DOES use a master slave config, thats why one card gets hotter than the other the first card, the upper card in the mainboard, does the extra work of splitting the frames and merging them again, so all sli capable cards are master cards, but when you hook them up one is taking the master and one the slave position.

and letting r520 do the sm3.0 and long sm2.0 shader work... i dont think thats possible... not without making it slower than using the r520 alone

Why would you need a special chipset if they are connected externally like 3Dfx Voodoo 3 card were? This is dumb.

afaik the external plug is needed to transfair the parts of the frames the second card rendered to the first card wich then merges all parts to the final frame. channeling those frame infos through the pciE lanes would probably have cost too much bandwidth and would have made things too complicated.

i think koei is right, nvidia and ati should calm doen and work out a unified sli architecture thing... via has their own sli like thing as well know, everybody goes multi cards, its time to think about the customers now and how to offer them the best compability possible imo.

Last I heard the master card would drop its performance level to that of the slave, but that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Let me work out the math here....

The R520's fastest iterations are supposed to be roughly twice as fast as current-gen cards. So: I'll spend $500-600 on the newest and fastest ATi card, and proceed to drop it into a Crossfire board with my "old" X800 XT -- at which point the R520 slows down to the speed of the X800 XT, making my brand-new multi-GPU system roughly as fast as...my R520 alone! (But with driver bugs!)

Somebody tell me those early reports were wrong. Please.

-aMp-

[edited for stupidity]

what i heard was that the faster card clock itself down to the clockspeed of the slower card. this could be necessary because of coherency issues. this would mean your r520 would clock itself to 4xx mhz instead of 5xx mhz... but then again this doesnt make much sence as one card is slower as the other, and all the clockspeed does is increase the speed of one card or the other, so this doesnt make sence...