MUSHKIN REDLINE XP4000 sneak peek...

[gundamit]

There is more to the ram than just ic's

With OCZ, GSkill and now Mushkin using the same ICs (new BH or CH) and PCB the only unique thing that Mushkin (or the others that follow) can bring to the table is the way they bin and their price points. If the reason Mushkin is taking a little more time to get to market is because they are taking more care in the way they bin and not because they aren't on top of breaking news in the enthusiasts market, then hopefully the net result is better performance than their rivals. If the extra time and care means more expense which results in slightly higher prices than their rivals, that may not be a problem for Muskin because OC'er will pay premiums for even tiny performance gains. I've noticed most of the posts are related to performance and how to find them. Very little mention of price.

[KoNiaK]

There is more to the ram than just ic's

Same PCB

[Zebbo]

Same PCB

And are you sure about that?

[alexio]

This is just the same stuff as OCZ 4000 Gold VX I think, that means it's nice but not really special. If they are speed-binned at DDR500 I don't see a reason wy they should overclock better than the OCZ stuff so it's all about the price.

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

This is just the same stuff as OCZ 4000 Gold VX I think, that means it's nice but not really special. If they are speed-binned at DDR500 I don't see a reason wy they should overclock better than the OCZ stuff so it's all about the price.

thats what its rated to do, not what its speed binned to.

[SAE]

Great results, great ram. If those sticks tend to get 270 on average they will definitely be THE sticks to BUY

[Rabbi_NZ]

Some one try Trfc 12.

My guess is that they will not boot. (CH-UTT)

I agree largon... all the A64 screenies so far, apart from k|ngp|n's old school BH5 screenshot, seem to show Trfc >= 15

Trans Am, we're all still waiting for you to unleash the devine pixie dust on your enchanted modules!

[kamaleon]

impressive... any price guess-timation??

[JNav89GT]

Great results, great ram. If those sticks tend to get 270 on average they will definitely be THE sticks to BUY

I can bench well into the 270's but about 268 is where memtest starts to get some errors and super Pi 32M maxes about 265-268 somewhere in there.

[SAE]

I can bench well into the 270's but about 268 is where memtest starts to get some errors and super Pi 32M maxes about 265-268 somewhere in there.

Hmm, maybe you can get higher later... these are great initial results - but remember the burn in effect

[FireDragon]

Why hasn't Micron come out with something to compete with the UTT stuff? they came out with the Ballistix line to deal withthe TCCD (that kinda failed...the A64 don't always play nice with it...also the EB used micron chips...) but they should have something on the table soon yes??

BTW MUSHKIN ROCKS CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON A GIG SET OF UTT-BH5 REDLINES (if they are infact BH-5 UTT but then again some of the CH-5 seem to clock better o well)

Dragon

[esdee]

Hmm, maybe you can get higher later... these are great initial results - but remember the burn in effect

lets just hope they like burn-in too

[kasius]

This memory is not ready to buy, isn´t? I´m searching but I don´t see anything

Nice sticks, but I think they are same OCZ VX4000

[|3ourne]

Why hasn't Micron come out with something to compete with the UTT stuff? they came out with the Ballistix line to deal withthe TCCD (that kinda failed...the A64 don't always play nice with it...also the EB used micron chips...) but they should have something on the table soon yes??

BTW MUSHKIN ROCKS CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON A GIG SET OF UTT-BH5 REDLINES (if they are infact BH-5 UTT but then again some of the CH-5 seem to clock better o well)

Dragon

the ballistix can compete with TCCD very easily. The fact that they need voltage left them behind. We all know that the OCZ eb series needed some voltage to run tight timings. The Anandtech review of DFI NF4 with ballistix where they gave the ram around 2.9V showed that the ram can very well do 280 mhz. When you compare ballistix and tccd at the same clock rate , ballistix has BETTER performance than TCCD. The only thing going for tccd is the insane versatality that it offers . DDR400 with tight timings or DDR600 with loose timings. All can be done with the same ram module. Even ballistix did 2.5-3-3-6 at ddr560 with 2.9V. I know the difference between the performance of the two becoz I have owned both.
I wish i still had my pair of ballistix which i sold to my friend to test em out on my DFI with volts. I can betcha that ram can easily outperform TCCD with some volts. Becoz of the need for higher 1:1 ratio and low vdimm available with NF3 chipsets , ballistix still remains one of the most underrated ram on the market right now. If had a 3200+ or a 3500+ venice/winnie/sandiego , i would definitely give ballistix another try.

[g0dM@n]

quote from Mushkin press release, "We sprinkle pixie dust on the ic's before attaching the heatspreaders, then, with a magic paintbrush we dip it into magical red paint which comes from the Forbidden elf forest. We hired a blind artist with one arm who can feel his way around our warehouse. The artist paints a red line on the heatspreaders before the aluminum is anodized. This is where the Redline get's it's special powers. It's really a combination of the artist, the pixie dust from the Fairy Ring, and the voltage which unlocks the powers of the pixie dust. When all these forces are combined, the Ram Leprechauns will run free at last and the Overclocking Gods will be pleased!"

Soooo soothing...

[Duonger]

LOL LOL i still get a laugh when i read it...

[SAE]

lets just hope they like burn-in too

Why shouldn't they?!

[SLaY3r07]

lets just hope they like burn-in too

Lets just hope they taste like chicken as well.

[esdee]

Why shouldn't they?!

UTT seemed not to like burn-in
So this 'new batch' of BH-5 might not be the same with the good old one.
Ill test within a week some new BH5

time will tell

Lets just hope they taste like chicken as well.

i really hope so

[SAE]

UTT seemed not to like burn-in
So this 'new batch' of BH-5 might not be the same with the good old one.
Ill test within a week some new BH5

Yep, I know CH-x often does not like it... but iirc the BH-x dies are still manufactured in .175µ process. IMO that's enough
CH-UTT is .13µ cause it's CH die

[Rabbi_NZ]

Just for the record... the "new" BH5 is just the same old technology being produced again isn't it?
Nothing new, nothing added, nothing removed... just back in production to meet demand?

CH-UTT is a different story, we already know it's not he same as the old CH5... but I think these BH chips being produced now are identical.

[largon]

CH-UTT is a different story, we already know it's not he same as the old CH5

Wha? How do the differ? Thought CH-UTT was just untested CH-die

[esdee]

Yep, I know CH-x often does not like it... but iirc the BH-x dies are still manufactured in .175µ process. IMO that's enough
CH-UTT is .13µ cause it's CH die

im crossing my fingers

[Rabbi_NZ]

Wha? How do the differ? Thought CH-UTT was just untested CH-die

No, they are made on a different process apparently aquired/shared/whatever from Infineon...
It's not so hard to believe though, I mean, how many CH5 chips have done 250+ 2-2-2 @ 3.2v?
Let alone 260 2-2-2 @3.3v?

[largon]

The potential for 250+ 2-2-2-x was in orig CH-5.

Winbond BH-5 and CH-5 are the same chip on different scale. But CH-5 didn't behave like BH-5 - Winbond's 130nm process was defective.
Winbond needed Infineon tech to enhance their 130nm process.

The CH-UTT chip is same old Winbond CH, built on Infineon-optimised process.