AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

[Vandi423]

Wow, what heatsink is that!?? Is it better than a XP90?

It is a 1U Opteron heatsink. I doubt it is better than an XP90. I am just using it to make sure that the Turion would work. My temps have gone up too much so I am going to start looking for something better. My K8V needed a BIOS update in order to get into windows. Luckily the new Beta sees the Turion just fine and I was able to flash with the Turion installed.

[i found nemo]

lol......hey perk....i think you should get the xp90-c they are supposed to be good, once i save up enough i'm gettin' one, and a better psu

[Rabbi_NZ]

350w may not be adequate for P4 Prescott and a 6800 Ultra, but I seriously doubt that my PCI video card and 25w processor is pushing it to it's limits...

Even overclocked, I doubt this Turion is drawing more than 60-70w.

Bro, it's weak... it's below recommended rating for nF3 (400w I think).
Not just the wattage, but Antec are known for having weak 12v rails.

60-70w? How much power does a 2200MHz Venice use? Cos you will DEFINATELY be using more than that considering you have more cache, higher voltage, and running (or at least trying to) 2.4GHz+.

It's the advise I gave to begin with and I'm standing by it... if you can't afford a new PSU that's cool, we're not all made of money... but don't expect your rig to fly just because you have a DFI + Brand Spanking 90nm SSE3 Turion CPU... put 91 octane in a F1 car and see what happens dude

[shuRe]

yeh if anyone knows anything about the new 90nm 3700+ that would be good.

[Mats]

Vandi423: Is that a Nexus server heatsink? Is it good?

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

actually HKpolice LDT of 2.5x allows higher htt and stability when compared to 2x or 3x on the dfi nf3's.

[Vandi423]

Vandi423: Is that a Nexus server heatsink? Is it good?

Actually, no it isn't but they look very similar. Makes me think they were both made by the same company. I got mine directly from the manufacturer. The problem with this heatsink is that it is too small. There isn't enough surface area to radiate and lose all of the energy. When I PRIME it the temps go up to 33C and never come back down. However if I don't prime it the temps stay very close to the case temps. So I need a copper heatsink with more fins and a larger surface area.

[i found nemo]

why don't you put a fan directly on the heat sink, though 33c is nice, my pentium ran a bit cooler than that (p3)

[Vandi423]

why don't you put a fan directly on the heat sink, though 33c is nice, my pentium ran a bit cooler than that (p3)

Because my ultimate goal is for a fanless system. 33C for passive isn't bad but it is not good enough.

[i found nemo]

well atleast put some cooling on that asus heatsink on the south bridge (can't call it a northbridge cuz the mem control is in the cpu lol)

[Vandi423]

well atleast put some cooling on that asus heatsink on the south bridge (can't call it a northbridge cuz the mem control is in the cpu lol)

It will be fine. I am not going to OC with no AGP/PCI lock. I think I'll get a DFI once the final BIOS comes out.

[tristancarton]

nice pics vandi. even if your chip stays in the mids 30s (after priming) you will be okay. remember these cores have the highest amd temperature rating with the designation of 'X' in the OPN. (heck remember it is supposed to be put in a laptop with much less cooling than your system)
a64 opn info

if you are still scared pick up an xp-120 and shave down the bracket.(due to being lidless) despite being huge and awkward it is still arguably the best passive air cooler on the market. (water doesn't count)

[i found nemo]

vandi just so you know, those can get hot on dfi's so make sure you have good cooling for the south bridge seriously i burnt my finger bad one time, so i threw an old socket 7 fan on it....even though it's floating in the air (twistie hooked up to a little hole in my vid card lol) still works decent though

[Vandi423]

nice pics vandi. even if your chip stays in the mids 30s (after priming) you will be okay. remember these cores have the highest amd temperature rating with the designation of 'X' in the OPN. (heck remember it is supposed to be put in a laptop with much less cooling than your system)
a64 opn info

if you are still scared pick up an xp-120 and shave down the bracket.(due to being lidless) despite being huge and awkward it is still arguably the best passive air cooler on the market. (water doesn't count)

Yea, I've been looking into that. 95C that’s HOT! I am not scared to break the sucker it's just that I eventually want to get this sucker into my car and so I will be testing it at 120F ambient. I still have a ton a problems to solve before I can get it in there. PS, HD, GPU, etc. Plus a custom case and screen (maybe modded touch screen). From what I can tell the voltage is Q = 1.20V ?????

i found nemo: LOL twistie! Thanks for the input! I need everything I can get.

[i found nemo]

lol the definition of ghetto rigged is my ghetto rig lmao

[Vandi423]

OK so here is what I got:

TMSMT34BQX5LD

TM S= Turion Mobile 25W(S)
MT34= 1.8 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
Q= 1.200v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)

So anything below 1.2v we're actually undervolting. Everytime I go below that I get a CPU OVERVOLTAGE warning message from my mobo. Its retarded because what it really means is UNDERVOLTAGE.

TMDML37BKX5LD

TM D= Turion Mobile 35W(D)
ML37= 2.0 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
K= 1.350v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)

[Vandi423]

ozzimark!!!!

Look what just appeared:


AMN3000BKX5BU
AMN3200BKX5BU
AMN3400BKX5BU
AMN3700BKX5BU

I'll let you guess what these are.

Just to give you a hint:

90nm Opterons Rev. E
OSA150FAA5BK
OSA252FAA5BL
OSA852FAA5BM

90nm A64 Rev. E
ADA3000DAA4BP
ADA3200DAA4BP
ADA3500DAA4BN
ADA3500DAA4BP
ADA3700DAA5BN
ADA3800DAA4BP
ADA4000DAA5BN

90nm FX55 Rev. E
ADAFX55DAA5BN

See anything in common?

[tristancarton]

vandi, does that mean you are able to order them? mmmm...mmmm...AMN3700BKX5BU (no money for it now but may be able to scrounge some up in a few weeks)

the real question now is whether these are built on the turion(lancaster) or san diego process. (i am assuming the turion is a different process than the 939 san diegos based upon our initial overclocking results)

[Vandi423]

vandi, does that mean you are able to order them? mmmm...mmmm...AMN3700BKX5BU (no money for it now but may be able to scrounge some up in a few weeks)

the real question now is whether these are built on the turion(lancaster) or san diego process. (i am assuming the turion is a different process than the 939 san diegos based upon our initial overclocking results)

Turion is a completely different process to ADA AMN AMA. If AMD likes to keep a structure (I think they do) LD stepping means that it is something different to BP BN BU BK BL BM. Turion still did pretty good with a 65Mhz stable HTT OC with decent temps at least right??? So let’s be generous and give Turion 65 MHz.


265*9= 2385

Lets assume 3700BU will do the same:

265*12= 3180

????? Insights anyone????

[ozzimark]

See anything in common?

you're my hero <3

so now the speculation on this begins again. i think vandi's comment on how it's AMNxxxxxxxBU, thus not being a turion based core is probably right. plus, i'll be willing to bet that the 3700+ won't be the last in the mobile line..
so, if that's true, the question arises: which gets better dies, FX or mobiles?
if it's the latter...

[frostedflakes]

Voltage is 1.35v just like the 35w Turions, so if I were AMD I would just relabel and sell them as Athlon64 mobiles.

Then again, if this was the case, I'd assume the LD revision identifier would've carried over, but these are BU parts.

[Rabbi_NZ]

I'm thinking they are different to the Turions for sure... a 3400 1MB BU mobile sounds daiimn appealing actually. Well, a 3700+ is even more so but I'm not going to sell my kidney until it's absolutely necessary.

Vandi, thanks a lot man!

[saaya]

Bro, it's weak... it's below recommended rating for nF3 (400w I think).
Not just the wattage, but Antec are known for having weak 12v rails.

60-70w? How much power does a 2200MHz Venice use? Cos you will DEFINATELY be using more than that considering you have more cache, higher voltage, and running (or at least trying to) 2.4GHz+.

It's the advise I gave to begin with and I'm standing by it... if you can't afford a new PSU that's cool, we're not all made of money... but don't expect your rig to fly just because you have a DFI + Brand Spanking 90nm SSE3 Turion CPU... put 91 octane in a F1 car and see what happens dude

if its a good 350W psu its fine
im running a fortron 350Wer with an x850xtpe and winnie at 1.55v and 2650mhz w/o any probs and the card clocks to 590/630 wich is slightly above average, so no sign of the psu crapping out...

a 2200mhz venice with 1.4v produces less than 40W
double cache means 1-3W more heat, it doesnt really make a difference
my fortron 350W is rated for 16A or 18A on the 12v rail and the rail is fine and stable and doesnt fluctuate at all

amd told me at cebit that their main focus is the mobile market now! they will keep pushing in the server market, but their main focus is the notebook market, thats where they have the smallest market share wich means they can gain a large part of the market share without too much effort while gaining more market share in the desktop workstation and server segment costs them a lot of effort. considering this theres actually a good chance that they test all their chips for low voltage and high clockspeeds first, and that the highest clocked mobiles are the highest quality of their chips after their speed binning tests

[Rabbi_NZ]

if its a good 350W psu its fine
a 2200mhz venice with 1.4v produces less than 40W
double cache means 1-3W more heat, it doesnt really make a difference
my fortron 350W is rated for 16A or 18A on the 12v rail and the rail is fine and stable and doesnt fluctuate at all

According to the table below from This article at xbitlabs, a 2.2GHz Venice is 67watts at 1.35v-1.40v and a 2.4GHz Venice is 89watts at 1.35v-1.40v... that is with stocks volts as mentioned. So when you push 1.55v+ into the core at approx 2.4GHz I am quite sure it would raise power rating to damn near 100watts...

[Mats]

Rabbi_NZ:
In the same review you see the actual power consumption, we all know that AMD's desktop TDP is VERY high. This numbers are measured with the mobo power regulators included which got a 90 % effiicency at best. When looking at this one you see that Winchester and Oakville got identical TDP and that 67 W for a 3500+D is just plain BS, it's more like 42 W.