SPI 1M WR = 21.203 with a dothan --> soon 20s??

[ISS]

The FX killer IS HERE

No, Dothan is no A64 FX or P4 killer. No doubt its faster than A64 and P4 in some tests. However, its also painfully slow in certain tests too.

A desktop CPU has to perform more functions than just running Super PI or chrunking out frame rates in games, its also used in workstations for tasks like 3D rendering, used in studios for video/audio encoding/editing etc. The core architecture (eg. Opteron, Xeons) is also used as server CPUs.

Dothan is a CPU thats designed for notebooks. The designers optimised the CPU for what they think pple will mostly do on a notebook. They also excluded features that they think pple don't need.

Think of it as arritubtes of a character in a RPG game. If you want him to do everything, it will be a jack of all trades. If you want him to be a master of some, it will perform poorly in other areas. Dothan is an example of that. Btw, when Cell is out (official benchmarks), I believe it will trash all our curren x86 CPUs in terms of FPU performance. Unfortunately, thats about all it can do.

[k|ngp|n]

Dothan power...
to TAM

[STEvil]

speedy little chip there

[Jolli]

W00t! awesome!

Jolli

[metro.cl]

just think what a yonah could do.


impresive score, now im proud to own a dothan 1.8ghz 745 (is in my notebook i might try to oc it y got a prog that i can use now).

[Biffsta]

WOW

Simply Amazing

[kromosto]

dothan power and intel is still wont get in them to desktop

[macci]

Awesome!

That would do some serious damage in 3Dmark03 GT1

Now who said that the dothan can't do high FSB???

Must find my precious good ol P4C800-E now - and that adapter too of course

[ozzimark]

The FX killer IS HERE

you're comparing a 90nm chip to 130nm.

wait for the 90nm fx-55's or 57's.. whichever one comes out first. then we can make some more conclusive decisions

[RoyaL]

W00T!
i knew it, dothan with a decent board will blow out the Pi!
he did it!
my next cpu, for sure!

[Qu3Xu5]

Impressive stuff, no doubt about that
GJ TAM
I already started saving up for my dothan gaming rig
Imagine intel implementing HT, SSE3, EM64T, and other desktop enhancements on the pentium M architecture
That is if it could even be added, not sure on the specs and setup of the core.

[X-GeN]

Congratulations

I think you deserve this oscar

And I'm sure it isn't the limit yet

[Charles Wirth]

Yep, sick fps in GT1 with that.

Very nice

[MaxxxRacer]

wow.. that is some amazing overclock there... even more amazing super pi time

[Lestat HWL]

I personally think that Dothan wont really over shadow FX or A64, but the newer Intel cores based on Dothan might ...But then again you have to wait for San Diego to come out...you never know...Just think: SLI/Dothan/Dual Channel = Intel may be back in the game if they do the Dothan based desktop core right

[NiCKE^]

Congrats! That's a very nice oc! Damn I want a Dothan and a adapter and some dryice to play with

[stelleg151]

very nice my friend

[alexio]

How did you manage to get such high fsb? Other people with an adaptor or at the 855 chipset seem to have problems getting above 200-210mhz.

[Rippthrough]

Well, I would surely think before saying stuff like a dothan killing an A64. Well It scores well in SuperPi, so what? I personally have tried the superpi only once, really unusable app unless you want to show off. For people using computers for business is't really unuseful plus this requires LN2 cooling.


Anandtech did a review of a dothan with the asus adapter, also overclocked it a bit. Yes it may score in some tests, but it's of no use for desktop PCs, it's a mobile CPU. Also it's 32 bit only.

Couple of days ago I read about 64 bit prime95 - the programmer said there is almost 100% improvement on an A64 and about 8% on iAMD64 Prescott. Intel just don't have all the physical registers I guess.

Well what is superPi could also scale twice when becoming 64 bit? If the WR for an FX is 22sec - that means about 11. But I'm not sure superPi would benefit from extra registers, as far as I know it's only about calculations, and 64bit calculations may take more than 32bit due to the better precision 64bit has.

But I say again - the fact that a dothan scores well in superPI may mean something in this forum with like 16000 users, but that’s less that 0.0001% of the people using PCs. I agree dothan architecture is better that P4's, simply coz P4 sucks from the very beginning. And what is the dothan - an upgraded PIII. I still wonder why intel is not dumping the P4 and going for better high clocked dothans...

Can't remember exactly but acording to anand for desktop use dothan is no better clock per clock to an A64. For workstation performance a 2Ghz dothan is lacking about 30% behing a 2Ghz A64, in audio video encoding processors are equal, the same goes for gaming, dothan is good in business performance but how many bussiness man will get a LN2 cooled PC for using MS WORD.

And once again dothans are not 64 bit, they cannot match an A64 in real world performance, nor in price/performance ratio. Maybe a new desktop version revison will improve that but intel are going for PentuimD (I still can't see the Difference btwn pentium4 and pentiumD, maybe intel thinks p4 sucks as a name)

Whoa there, stop.
Just go read the website title again will you?

[blinky]

How did you manage to get such high fsb? Other people with an adaptor or at the 855 chipset seem to have problems getting above 200-210mhz.

its a p4c800 uses the i875 chipset

[alexio]

its a p4c800 uses the i875 chipset

Well most 865 boards overclock as good as 875 board so I don't see why he got a much higher fsb at the 875 board than various reviewers at a 865 board.

Maybe it's AGP/PCI-lock related and Asus has fixed something in their latest bios?

[X-GeN]

Well, I would surely think before saying stuff like a dothan killing an A64. Well It scores well in SuperPi, so what? I personally have tried the superpi only once, really unusable app unless you want to show off. For people using computers for business is't really unuseful plus this requires LN2 cooling.


Anandtech did a review of a dothan with the asus adapter, also overclocked it a bit. Yes it may score in some tests, but it's of no use for desktop PCs, it's a mobile CPU. Also it's 32 bit only.

Couple of days ago I read about 64 bit prime95 - the programmer said there is almost 100% improvement on an A64 and about 8% on iAMD64 Prescott. Intel just don't have all the physical registers I guess.

Well what is superPi could also scale twice when becoming 64 bit? If the WR for an FX is 22sec - that means about 11. But I'm not sure superPi would benefit from extra registers, as far as I know it's only about calculations, and 64bit calculations may take more than 32bit due to the better precision 64bit has.

But I say again - the fact that a dothan scores well in superPI may mean something in this forum with like 16000 users, but that’s less that 0.0001% of the people using PCs. I agree dothan architecture is better that P4's, simply coz P4 sucks from the very beginning. And what is the dothan - an upgraded PIII. I still wonder why intel is not dumping the P4 and going for better high clocked dothans...

Can't remember exactly but acording to anand for desktop use dothan is no better clock per clock to an A64. For workstation performance a 2Ghz dothan is lacking about 30% behing a 2Ghz A64, in audio video encoding processors are equal, the same goes for gaming, dothan is good in business performance but how many bussiness man will get a LN2 cooled PC for using MS WORD.

And once again dothans are not 64 bit, they cannot match an A64 in real world performance, nor in price/performance ratio. Maybe a new desktop version revison will improve that but intel are going for PentuimD (I still can't see the Difference btwn pentium4 and pentiumD, maybe intel thinks p4 sucks as a name)

Nobody's discussing the daily use of it. It's just a WR for SuperPI 1M

[The Stilt]

Awesome!

That would do some serious damage in 3Dmark03 GT1

Now who said that the dothan can't do high FSB???

Must find my precious good ol P4C800-E now - and that adapter too of course

Survived from hangover, it seems

How about some counter measures soon?

[Mikesta]

I really can't understand the hype.

Whilst it is good news of sorts and record chasing / benching enthusiasts are understandable excited I CANNOT understand the posters they say "WOW DOTHAN IS MY NEXT RIG - WOOT"

It is the reactions of these people that prompted the responses that LOE, LESTAT and ISS made which were very balanced and reasonable statements.

DOTHAN in current incarnation is not going to be an FX killer. Even in dual channel with decent chipset it simply doesn't match up to FX, A64 or even P4's in several categories of applications.

Even Intel admits that the Pentium M needs some work to be a truly viable desktop processor. Other then the extreme cutting edge, near budgetless enthusiasts, the more common OC'ers should stay away.

At least wait for Yonah. There will be substantial improvements not the least in supporting architecture (e.g. motherboard, chipset etc).

What is quite exciting is that Pentium M use transistors that use less energy, but do not scale very high (AMD's Turion's will use these types). If Intel used 'normal' transistors then they could scale up the Mhz. With general improvments in IPC etc that Intel's mobile division says they are working on are implimented combined with use of normal transistors could mean huge performance gains across the board. They would probably slay current FX's. However they will use considerably more energy and hence generate more heat probably somewhat close to A64's are generating now.

I expect Intel to do this mid-late 2006 -2007. They will ditch Prescott and Prescott based derivatives such a Pentium D and switch to architectures based on Pentium M.

I just wonder how AMD will counter? Deeper pipelines to scale higher? L3 Cache?

[kromosto]

Well, I would surely think before saying stuff like a dothan killing an A64. Well It scores well in SuperPi, so what? I personally have tried the superpi only once, really unusable app unless you want to show off. For people using computers for business is't really unuseful plus this requires LN2 cooling.


Anandtech did a review of a dothan with the asus adapter, also overclocked it a bit. Yes it may score in some tests, but it's of no use for desktop PCs, it's a mobile CPU. Also it's 32 bit only.

Couple of days ago I read about 64 bit prime95 - the programmer said there is almost 100% improvement on an A64 and about 8% on iAMD64 Prescott. Intel just don't have all the physical registers I guess.

Well what is superPi could also scale twice when becoming 64 bit? If the WR for an FX is 22sec - that means about 11. But I'm not sure superPi would benefit from extra registers, as far as I know it's only about calculations, and 64bit calculations may take more than 32bit due to the better precision 64bit has.

But I say again - the fact that a dothan scores well in superPI may mean something in this forum with like 16000 users, but that’s less that 0.0001% of the people using PCs. I agree dothan architecture is better that P4's, simply coz P4 sucks from the very beginning. And what is the dothan - an upgraded PIII. I still wonder why intel is not dumping the P4 and going for better high clocked dothans...

Can't remember exactly but acording to anand for desktop use dothan is no better clock per clock to an A64. For workstation performance a 2Ghz dothan is lacking about 30% behing a 2Ghz A64, in audio video encoding processors are equal, the same goes for gaming, dothan is good in business performance but how many bussiness man will get a LN2 cooled PC for using MS WORD.

And once again dothans are not 64 bit, they cannot match an A64 in real world performance, nor in price/performance ratio. Maybe a new desktop version revison will improve that but intel are going for PentuimD (I still can't see the Difference btwn pentium4 and pentiumD, maybe intel thinks p4 sucks as a name)

you totally dont know what you are talking about what we are talking about or what is a pentium d what is 64 bit what is 32 bit

and if you are not in the %0.000001 then why are you here

and for relaxing you "yes an intel can never beat and amd64 in any area"