Good news, nf4 may support agp!

[endo]

Look, I like AMD and Intel. I still have a Intel 386 and a AMD 486 sitting at home. I have been using both since then. But my only argument against AMD is A64. IMO, it was just a quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel. No-one even knows if it's 64bit functions even work completely yet. I hear about people with A64's dying and not o/cing well all the time. Look at Intel, they were producing chips a good couple of years before AMD and they practicly invented x86 as to my knowledge. So in my opinion: INTEL>AMD>*.

[bldegle2]

there is a 64 bit version of XP, you can get a beta version real easy just by signing up. as it stands right now, except for the OS, there are not many 64 bit programs to test it with, so comparisons are hard to come by

as far as your analogy goes, you are saying because Intel was first they are better, not taking into consideration that maybe #2 is trying harder and actually doing better 'right now'?

anyway, 64bit will come soon enough, M$ is milking the 32bit XP ride for a little while longer, when da 'big boyz', IE, M$ and INTEL decide it is time to make a move, programmers will scramble and AMD will still be a thorn in Intel's side.

i see nothing changing dramatically in the near future. bizness as usual..............

baldy

[muzz]

Look, I like AMD and Intel. I still have a Intel 386 and a AMD 486 sitting at home. I have been using both since then. But my only argument against AMD is A64. IMO, it was just a quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel. No-one even knows if it's 64bit functions even work completely yet. I hear about people with A64's dying and not o/cing well all the time. Look at Intel, they were producing chips a good couple of years before AMD and they practicly invented x86 as to my knowledge. So in my opinion: INTEL>AMD>*.

A quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel?
What are they supposed to do, stay behind them and their marketing push to the masses that pure MHZ means everything, when folks in the know realize that pure MHZ means nothing when it is coupled with an extremely long pipeline and it's severe penalties?
I guess we are supposed to just deal with 10 ghz processors that blow chunks because Intel decided that was our fate, all the while having to turn the AC on ( in the winter) because the heat thrown off by this hypotetical beast warmed the room up so much by sucking up 150-3 gazillion watts of power........
Get real.

I guess we should just bow down to Intel because they created something, even though another manufacturer ( that was a liscensed manufacturer for Intel) decided they could do it better, and broke off onto their own.

AMD is not perfect, but if it weren't for them we would probably still be in the P3 age at best, and BTW that chip would cost a fortune.
Not every Intel chip overclocks to the moon either, and if A64 is such a bad strategy why is Intel doing something similar.

IMO we need them BOTH, and as of right now MHO is AMD>Intel, as I believe it is they that are pushing technology further and faster.
Which is good for us for obvious reasons.

Sure glad we all are allowed to have our opinions.

[dnottis]

Hell, I wish they would put out a NF4 with an AGP slot - the only thing keeping me from moving to the DFI board is NOT wanting to sell my X800XT PE AGP because the performance of the PCI-e boards is just not up to par yet. (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...04-27gpu2.html) Maybe it's immature chipset drivers, but the AGP X800XT PE beats out the X850XT PE most the time, even if it's only by a few frames - I'd have to sell my mobo and video card to move to PCI-e, then lose some performance... screw that.