Unknown card and 40 000 in -01

**Jamo** · 02-21-2005, 03:23 PM

i wonder wht he means by "Because it was a taster not an indepth review, and im also not meant to be posting information on the card(s) yet."

hmmmmm

**kryptobs2000** · 02-21-2005, 03:26 PM

can't be amr I don't think because there's no mobo that supports it even is there? I don't know of any p4 mobo's with two pci-e slots even, so we're pretty sure it is the r520, 40,000 is quite an achievement, but I am a little dissapointed as that can be had with current cards now (not including sli) Although it is very hard to get. I'd really like to see an 05 run though. Wonder what nvidia has up there sleeve (wonder if nvidia has anything up it's sleeve'?)

Originally Posted by Jamo

i wonder wht he means by "Because it was a taster not an indepth review, and im also not meant to be posting information on the card(s) yet."

hmmmmm

I'm pretty sure it's a single card, prob. just trying to be discreet or something

**Playful_Buffalo** · 02-21-2005, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by perkam

Yeah the cheapest XT PE on newegg is like 700+ which sucks pretty bad cos the R520 will debut at $699.

Perkam

are you serious

**Geforce4ti4200** · 02-21-2005, 04:43 PM

ok its been confirmed:

its an ATI chipset motherboard (rs480) with r520 for the video.
(is it onboard video? lol, im just kiddin)

does anyone knwo the stats of the r520 ? i do :P

lets see if he will share

**eshbach** · 02-21-2005, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

ok its been confirmed:

its an ATI chipset motherboard (rs480) with r520 for the video.
(is it onboard video? lol, im just kiddin)

does anyone knwo the stats of the r520 ? i do :P

lets see if he will share

wait, RS480 is an intel chipset? thought that was the name for the AMD chipset...

**pik-ard v1.1** · 02-21-2005, 05:08 PM

actually, someone ELSE said it was a rs480 chipset... but maybe they are friends, and were benching togeather??

if the guy zardon confirms it a rs480... then its fake.

but, for next gen radeon chipset, it seems about right.

**OPPAINTER** · 02-21-2005, 05:25 PM

Is there a compare link for this 3d run?

OPP

**pik-ard v1.1** · 02-21-2005, 05:27 PM

nope. there are no compares for any cpu over 4ghz, and over 40k.

**Geforce4ti4200** · 02-21-2005, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by OPPAINTER

Is there a compare link for this 3d run?

OPP

LOL of course not, its under NDA and even if he tried, the orb isnt set to accept r520s anyway. He could show a screenshot of his game test fps but that would be breaking NDA. By just showing a screenshot and not even mentioning the gpu, he was just vauge enough not to really break NDA and if ATI gets on his case, he could just make a followup post saying it might be "fake" and by the way it actually *could* be fake and just him speculating what an unreleased card could get. Nice food for though to speculate in the meantime I guess. I do wonder what nature a stock r520 gets, perhaps 600?

**pik-ard v1.1** · 02-21-2005, 06:00 PM

well, what i would do, is take a stock x800/x850 xtpe run, with an fx-55... see how many points they would need to get to 40k, and probably 60-80% would come from nature, and the rest from dragothic.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8440180

theres a stock FX-55, and x850xt at 520/560.

40145-31699 = 8446

8446 *.7 = 5912.

thats 295fps in nature. so thats about a 550fps in nature. though, its probably closer to 500fps, because the 4.3ghz p4EE is going to be better then a 2.6ghz fx-55.

unless i'm going about this all wrong.

**zakelwe** · 02-21-2005, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jamo

well if it is an R520, i'm unimpressed even if it is at stock,

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8293038 for a 4.3Ghz current Intel EE at 600/590 and it gains 7k .. so I would say it is pretty impressive to be honest.

Regards

Andy

**Napoleonic** · 02-21-2005, 11:55 PM

so, was it truly r520? where is the 2K5 ver of 3dmark score? then we should sure about it

**Jackass** · 02-22-2005, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Napoleonic

so, was it truly r520? where is the 2K5 ver of 3dmark score? then we should sure about it

he wont post anything that will show the raw power of the gpu because of the NDA, thats why he wont elaborate on specific game tests in 2k1 either.

**reject** · 02-22-2005, 12:12 AM

isnt the major selling point of AMr it works on all cards including current ones as it is contolled by the chipset instead of sli which is controlled by the
pci-e lanes and drivers?

**saaya** · 02-22-2005, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo

hmmm 4.3EE powaa = about 2.8 - 2.9 FX?

that chip is one of the new ees wich is based on the prescott core! no ee powaaa

Originally Posted by Jamo

well if it is an R520, i'm unimpressed even if it is at stock, especially with that EE at 4.3ghz and some DDR2 800, if the rumoured clock speeds were right 40k is a little low if u ask me, i mean apparantly its 1.8ghz mem, surely it should be getting much more especially as we all know how much ATi cards love 01

just my 2p

edit: a 4.3ghz EE must kick out some heat, i doubt he did it on that gigabyte cooler shown in the pic

its not an ee, no gallatin, its a prescott 2mb with 1066fsb, its a shame intel calls them EE's ...
and dont forget its ssm3.0 card! 40k in 2k1 is very nice for a sm3.0 card at stock clocks!

Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo

here's shamino's run

36280
4.578 EE (327fsb)
772/696 XTPE clocks
bh-5 (speed not stated)

the R520 core is supposed to me 700mhz right? so this already has a faster core. and its 200mhz away on the mem. so if the extra 72mhz on the core and the 278mhz extra on proc were to offset this a bit i would say the 40k score seems about right

i doubt its clocked at 700mhz core, more like 500, maybe 600, but i dont think 700 for a stock card...

Originally Posted by perkam

R520 wont be AMR Capable

Thats the job for the R600 coming Q3 2006.

Perkam

what makes you think so? ati said their next card would support amr, and their next card is r520... and they also said they are testing amr already, and i doubt they have r600 prototypes they are testing it with...

perka, if you have some reasons/infos to believe that r520 wont have amr support then please post about it, if you dont and are just speculating again then say so!

Originally Posted by don_vercetti

well looks like the upcoming weekend should be fun for macci et al. Assuming this IS an r520, it will be released this weekend meaning they will get to try it!

40k from a Prescott isn't bad either.

Wish he would run some 3d03 or 05 benches, then we could tell just how powerful the card REALLY is. Or more accurately than 2k1 anyway.

what else should it be?

why release it this weekend? who said that?

well and even if they release it this weekend, will be weeks before we can buy one :/

Originally Posted by perkam

Yeah the cheapest XT PE on newegg is like 700+ which sucks pretty bad cos the R520 will debut at $699.

Perkam

where do you have that information from?

to everybody who said they are disspointed in the performence, you also shouldnt forget that this is a prototype with eventually lower gpu clock and lower memory clock than the final cards, plus the drivers are anything from final either

**Hombre** · 02-22-2005, 04:36 AM

Pekram how do you know all of this stuff and so sure of it? It was known from the beginning that the R520 will support AMR. And let's say that what you're saying is right, ATI can always add AMR support while in production. Also you said that the R520 was planned even before the R420, how do you know? I'm just speculatg, so maybe i'm wrong. Your writing style indicates that you're 100% sure of what's gonna happen.

**Boogotop** · 02-22-2005, 05:20 AM

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**kryptobs2000** · 02-22-2005, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by reject

isnt the major selling point of AMr it works on all cards including current ones as it is contolled by the chipset instead of sli which is controlled by the
pci-e lanes and drivers?

I think it's built into the cards, might be the mobo chset though, I dunno. ?I f it's the mobo chipset then no nforce 4/5 + ati

**korda** · 02-22-2005, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by chris.c

x850 w/ 512mb

I saw that the inq was guessing that, but it sounds weird that a benchmark like 3dmark-01 would get such a heavy boost just by adding more video ram.

Analysis of the benchmarks at the site makes one thing clear - it isn't more pipes. It isn't faster clocks. All the specific scores indicate the performance characteristics of adding more memory.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21382

**Jamo** · 02-22-2005, 06:46 AM

if it is 512mb of XDR as inq suggests, i think rambus are back in a big way, altho the inq isnt exactly known for high reliability in some of its storys

**Napoleonic** · 02-22-2005, 07:31 AM

I'm still confused, r520 is for xbox2, isn't it?
so it was r523?

I imagine, how would be the score if he did that with x850xtpe?

**perkam** · 02-22-2005, 08:28 AM

I'm still confused, r520 is for xbox2, isn't it?
so it was r523?

No the XBOX 2 Chip (next Xbox = XBOX NEXT) is the R500 which is based on the R520 for the PC.

As for the AMR for the R520, I'm still finding link but I pretty sure the R520 isnt capable for more than one reason. Firstly, ATI isnt stupid, and the lack of cards we've seen over the past year have been in situation where most of those who wanted the card, the high end market, got it even though many stores were out of stock...WHY? Cos there was no need for them and ATI could shift costs to low-end and OEM market. Secondly, if this new card (40,000) comes out to be a 512MB X850, then there will be NO NEED for ATI to have the R520 out, at least until August, etc cos there is no response from Nvidia and dual R520s running on ANYBODY's computer before aug/sep would be overkill. Especially since no response from Nvidia will be coming until very late 2005 or early 2006.

About the $699. Because ATI's has seriously screwed up its pricing with no ceiling in sight, it wont be doing a $150 price but on the X850s anytime soon ESPECIALLY on the 512MB ones coming so its going to stay somewhere around $599 for the 512MB ones, $549, current msrp for 256mb x850xt PEs. This means that if the R520 is coming out anytime soon, $799 would be way too high for it to be an alternative to SLI and as stated 599 would be taken up by 512mb versions of its X850 which would also be new to the market around that time, so $699 makes it practical.

Oh and the R520 was in development long before Nvidia unveiled its SLI and seeing how ATI is having so much trouble with REALTO, their PCIe-to-AGP, bridge, I really doubt they can send out the R520 AMR-ready to a market that doesnt need it.

Remember though, I said NEED not WANT lol. LTFB !!!

Perkam

**Jamo** · 02-22-2005, 08:29 AM

i might be wrong but i think its r500 in the xbox 2, kind of a cut down version of the r520 i assume

edit: beaten to it

**perkam** · 02-22-2005, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Zardon From DriverHeaven

The inquirer posted a story about a 512 card from ATI being released soon and pointed to this site and this thread, im just saying that these tests have nothing to do with a currently available GFX technology with additional ram.

CONFIRMED !!!!

ITS NOT A 512MB X850 !!!!!

THAT CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING !!!!

Perkam

**Hombre** · 02-22-2005, 11:37 AM

my next vga :P

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