TCCD Discontinued - Whatever shall we do?

[matt9669]

Dont give a damn TBH, hope they scale back DDR2/3 production as well by the end of the year, it'll give AMD the needed kick up the back side.

How will lack of DDR memories do that?

[Kanavit]

well, i'm sooo glad i brought mines already. hehe

[stealthbomber]

How will lack of DDR memories do that?

Well Intel has already implemented DDR2 support into their platform, can AMD really stick with DDR1 when even DDR2 production will start being scaled down in favour of far superior solutions at Samsungs disposal?

[matt9669]

Well Intel has already implemented DDR2 support into their platform, can AMD really stick with DDR1 when even DDR2 production will start being scaled down in favour of far superior solutions at Samsungs disposal?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...127022248.html

Don't forget, DDR2 requires a new socket for AMD's Hammer

[Entity_Razer]

In my honest opinion,

Samsung couldn't have done a stupied move even if they tried....

TCCD is loved by so many, sells like hotcackes and right when a decent competetor is about to come onto the market again they discontineu their prodcution line?

How dumb are those guys over at Samsung?

[jjcom]

How dumb are those guys over at Samsung?

Agreed, they go out right when a new competitor comes in. Its like Samsung just handed part of the RAM market to WinBond

jjcom

[Entity_Razer]

it does make me wonder, whats gotten into the marketing peeps over at samsung?

Do they not realize that keeping the TCCD market alive will only make them money? Do they not like money or something? (they can always give some to me if they don't like it)

Even if they wanna go DDR2. Keeping the current TCCD line alive would finance further research to DDR2 to bring its latencies down and such.

[Der_KHAN]

In my honest opinion,

Samsung couldn't have done a stupied move even if they tried....

TCCD is loved by so many, sells like hotcackes and right when a decent competetor is about to come onto the market again they discontineu their prodcution line?

How dumb are those guys over at Samsung?

well, i think they are already leading in gddr3 production.
and samsung has good chances to become the market leader in ddr2 tech as well.
but there is much more competition in ddr1 market.

so what do u think is smarter? sell some 10k or maybe 100k pieces in the enthusiast market for ddr1, or sell millions of pieces in the ddr2 mainstream market?

remember that intel is switching to ddr2 now and amd is gonna follow next year. so its best to make the change as soon as possible.

[zakelwe]

Let me be the first to bring up the mythical Winbond bh-4 as our saviour.....

Actually, if Micron did spruce up their Ballistix by another 20% it would be a good replacment. Mine did 275 or so at 2.9v 2.5-3-3-7.

DDR2 and dual cores ... yuck.

Regards

Andy

[stealthbomber]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...127022248.html

Don't forget, DDR2 requires a new socket for AMD's Hammer

Which will already be second rate when even nVidia/ATi will be using XDR by then, not to mention the possibility that both M$ and Sony may opt for these killer bandwidth memory chips on their next gen consoles.

When companies milk as much money as possible out of countless revisions of the same generation of technology people complain, when Samsung releases something that easily pee's over their TCCD stuff, people still complain...

[matt9669]

Sony is using XDR in the PS3 - they've been using RAMBUS since the PS2, so that relationship has been around. Last update MS was using a shared (G?)DDR3 bucket for their memory. I'll post some linkage if requested.

I'd be surprised if AMD's DDR2 solution wasn't very good, if not excellent - look at the bandwidth numbers they're currently producing on DDR1. Also look at the performance between single channel and dual channel, in most cases S754 doesn't fall far behind S939 - point is, bandwidth isn't everything. I think AMD made the right move here, DDR2 production is only truly ramping up just now, and they publicly stated they didn't believe they'd see gains until DDR2-667, which makes sense from both a cost and latency perspective. Remember, DDR2 has inherently higher latencies than DDR1.

As for XDR on ATI/NVIDIA, don't be too hasty on that - a lot of people still have a sour taste from RAMBUS' litigious dealings, and that includes corporate types. GDDR4 is expected to scale to 1.4GHz/2.8GHzDDR, so there's no immediate need for XDR in the graphics arena.

[stealthbomber]

Sony is using XDR in the PS3 - they've been using RAMBUS since the PS2, so that relationship has been around. Last update MS was using a shared (G?)DDR3 bucket for their memory. I'll post some linkage if requested.

I'd be surprised if AMD's DDR2 solution wasn't very good, if not excellent - look at the bandwidth numbers they're currently producing on DDR1. Also look at the performance between single channel and dual channel, in most cases S754 doesn't fall far behind S939 - point is, bandwidth isn't everything. I think AMD made the right move here, DDR2 production is only truly ramping up just now, and they publicly stated they didn't believe they'd see gains until DDR2-667, which makes sense from both a cost and latency perspective. Remember, DDR2 has inherently higher latencies than DDR1.

As for XDR on ATI/NVIDIA, don't be too hasty on that - a lot of people still have a sour taste from RAMBUS' litigious dealings, and that includes corporate types. GDDR4 is expected to scale to 1.4GHz/2.8GHzDDR, so there's no immediate need for XDR in the graphics arena.

Yeah, AMD's on-die mem controller does pack a good punch Mhz for Mhz, but you have to wonder just how "difficult" it would be for Intel to persuade a major player like Samsung to scale down (or even cease) production of DDR2 chips in favour of greater XDR production by 2006, knowing that they have already finished developing a working DDR2 Intel platform, the next step of the performance war with AMD should already be underway.

I always seem to expect Intel to play dirty (nothing new there), I just hope AMD's dual core chips based on DDR2 is enough to outclass whatever Intel and their billion dollar R&D labs has to offer.

[Entity_Razer]

I think AMD will wip up something heavy don't you worry.

what I do like about AMD is that they develop lots of new things compared to Intel. its like ATI vs Nvidia, Nvidia claims to have a new technology called SLI while it's relativly old technology already.

thats the way I feel about AMD vs Intel.

AMD has a lot to lose, more then Intel so I'm sure they'll bring out something amazing