i only have 1 rig on it at the moment cos it is a waste of time i get a gromac every 3 to 4 units on it not putting it on others yet as they are happy as they are however i will willingly become a beta tester will sort tomorrow as i have to go out but as said earlier if a few people can mess a server up for a important project its time it was upgraded pythagoras i will e-mail now