nvidia cancels nv50!

[Entity_Razer]

yhea true but sieng I "still" have a 9800PRO I'm still in the underdog era

lol

I just hope XGI and S3 make it into the market also. that'll be 2 more competitiors to wory about and 2 more competitors that can bring new technologies onto the market.

btw doesn't S3 now have a LOT of staff of 3Dfx or something? for the drivers or something if I remember correctly. when they closed S3 "bought" the driver programmers

[saaya]

S-L-I

all the way baby!!! Plus Nvidia just signed a mult-billion dollar deal with Intel to make chipsets for the P4 man. They are loaded man.

loaded enough to stop making new vpus? i dont think so

Man... you guys discredit SLI.... but when AMR comes out it's the ?
And then Nvidia cancels the NV50 and its a mistake because ATI managed to come out with a card that is 20 MHz more on the vcore? haha... man

First of all... the X850XT PE is nothing but a rehash and judging from the benchies it barely beats the regular X800 XTPE... and to you guys that's the FASTEST card...in case you didn't know.. that extra 20 MHz takes a double slot cooler which you guys hated because only Nvidia used it... and suddenly now ATI has it and it's alright.

Then ATI comes out with more products than Maybeline, and while Nvidia cancels a rehash that isn't even necessary, you dismiss it because without this rehash to compete with the "reigning X850XT PE" Nvidia is "screwed."

Haha.. man.. that's comedy.... you honestly think Nvidia is not working on something new while ATI's R520 will dominate and destroy SLI by itself and then will regin supreme once more AMR exists. The fact of the matter is.... you're speculating over vaporware. We've seen what Nvidia could do because we actually have proof of it... and even ATI's latest card can't even come close.... Nvidia is ahead of the game presently... why does everyone think they're just gonna let themselves trail behind in the future? This is Nvidia we're talking about..... too much speculation here..

i never had a problem with a 2slot cooler, the only thing that annoyed me was the noise of it. now most mobo makers leave the room next to the agp slot unpopulated sto evena 2 slot cooler doesnt block a pci slot, and the ati dual slot coolers arent noisy, so thats probably why some people changed their mind about it.

Because of the pace of the industry hardware developers usually are designing 3/4 product cycles in advance. At this moment the NV60, 70 and 80 are surely all in devlopment. I guess they just had a breakthrough with the NV60, and decided to skip the 50.

define what you mean with "in development" lol
if you mean have a piece of paper with basic idears about the architecture, then your right, but thats it. detailed specs about the architecture change all the time, so they only exist for the next gen cards, maybe 2 generations ahead in some situations, but thats very rough stuff afaik.

and i think nv50 was cancelled and instead of it they are making another nv40 based card sm3.0 is all they need and nv40 is running great, so why risk anything with a new architecture?

That could be it, maybe the nv60 costs less to make for example. a midrange nv60 could be as good as a high end nv50 but cost less and this means more profit for nvidia. Thus what they need to do is maybe release the 24 pipe verson at 400MHz for now then in 6 months a 32 pipe at 500MHz

i highly doubt that... whatever they planned for nv60, you can impossibly manufacture it at this moment, especially not at a low enough price so it would beat a nv50 card in price/performence ratings.
nv60 has at least 400 million transitors, its simply impossible to manufacture such a card atm, it would even be tough to build it in 90nm!

ATI ain't the underdog anymore. They were 'til the 9700 pro.

yeah, then they started to become one of the two big players... now via and xgi are the underdogs.

gentlemen... i think i have the answer to our questions

nv4x

why bother with a 16 pipe 110nm shift (nv48) if you can make a 32P 90nm shift? you end up with a fast high end product (20/24P) and can sell the damaged chips as 16P/20P/24P/28P products!
this means the low end parts with pipelines disabled would cost them slightly more to make, BUT they already have a design to compete with r520!

[STEvil]

With the way video cards are going they should just flip them over and put some mounting hardware on there so you can mount a CPU heatsink to them.. retail!

The two slot coolers wouldnt even be that bad really, but the way they design them is horrible..

[TheTrebleKing]

besides, XGI even has dual core/ dual GPU cards (although with crappy drivers) do you think ATI isn't working on dual core GPU's also?

XGI is using old tech, similar to voodoo 2 (remember the 3 gpu's on 1 board? and in SLI mode thats 6 GPU's!) they cant really compare to true dual-core.

real dual-core is 2 die's on 1 processor, uses far less circuitry and takes up less space, also bandwidth between the 2 cores is alot higher as all the communication is done on-chip and not over the PCB.

[DudeMiester]

define what you mean with "in development" lol
if you mean have a piece of paper with basic idears about the architecture, then your right, but thats it. detailed specs about the architecture change all the time, so they only exist for the next gen cards, maybe 2 generations ahead in some situations, but thats very rough stuff afaik.

I doubt it, sure maybe for the NV80 it's all theory and ideas, but with the NV60 they've got to start working out how it will be done in hardware, because they've only got a 1.5 or so years before it's planned release due to the product cycles. With > 222 million transistors it takes a lot of time to perfect! There's a huge amount of work involved, to they have to have detailed designs, and not all up in the air about it. However, I'm not an expert in the feild and afaik neither are you, so we could both be wrong.

and i think nv50 was cancelled and instead of it they are making another nv40 based card sm3.0 is all they need and nv40 is running great, so why risk anything with a new architecture?

How is it a risk? Obviously they are not braindead enough to release something worse then before! They can benchmark their products, determine this, and toss the bad ideas that way. Either way, the current architecture of the NV40 isn't that great. There are a lot of major improvements and radical changes that will have to be made in order for Nvidia to have products fully complient with OpenGL 2.x, DX10 and Windows Longhorn. It would be crazy for them not to revamp their architecture.

[Entity_Razer]

yhea! DX 10 promises to be a hoot :p so why not?

and about dual slot coolers, I wish they indeed flipped the cards over and casemanufacturers began making room for a dual slot cooler there!.

that'd be sweet, I personally have no problem with dual slots but I ask myself why GPU's "hang" at the moment isn't this like letting something sidder in it's own heat? I mean if you'd flip it wouldn't that alone be MUCH better for temperatures and so on?

the heat'd be able to get away much quicker that way

[STEvil]

Thats why we have heatsinks and fans razer, so that we dont have to rely on convection to cool them

[HawainPanda]

ati is def not the under dog anymore...