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[Olivon]

Intel Core i7 4770K Haswell Processors in Dutch WebShops - Guru3D

[vitchilo]

Now if they could switch to Graphene chips instead of silicon chips, then we could have an INSANE performance boost... but that will take probably 5-10 years... and by then, will it be really that good?

And I agree with everybody here... Intel needs to AT LEAST do a few HIGH PERFORMANCE chips with lots of cores, no integrated graphics and lots of cache. They could do a special Haswell chip just for the performance segment real easy... but considering the out-of-touch people running Intel, not gonna happen.

[NEOAethyr]

Now if they could switch to Graphene chips instead of silicon chips, then we could have an INSANE performance boost... but that will take probably 5-10 years... and by then, will it be really that good?

Oh heck ya !
That would be cool.
It would be graphene and graphene oxide.
The oxide is non conductive.
And it shields from radiations of all sorts.
Graphene oxide in it's self is really expensive, $400+ per vial of it.
I know because I looked into it because I wanted to try using it in an inkjet or light scribe burner.
Some people sell it for cheap though but who knows the quality of this stuff.

I really wanted to play with that tech to make some super caps for my dfi nf2 .


Anyways...
This is a new socket right?
From my understanding so far, the cpu uses more watts then the 3770k.
But only because of the darned useless gpu thing in it (I wouldn't even use it for encoding h.264, I use lossless so it's kinda pointless...)
I wonder if you can disable the gpu.

But even you can't disable the gpu, clocking up the cpu it's self in theory should be more power efficient then the previous gen.
Then you got the new chipset shrink, awesome!
There's also this new integrated pwm thing, which I'm not so sure is a good thing though, but if peeps can clock it up then I guess it won't matter.

It might be a good cpu.
But then again, I'm still looking for a 6 core or better you know...
Great for consumers, not really anything special for pros or enthusiasts.
But then again supposedly it has a new instruction set or something I don't know.

I really hope that memory score is a fluke.
Seems worse then before.
:\

I'm looking forward to some of you guys playing with it .

[Piledriver]

What i take from the benchmarks is that Steamroller will close the cpu gap between AMD and Intel more than Haswell will close the gpu gap between AMD and Intel. There's a real chance AMD leapfrogs Intel with gpu accelerated apps. i'm also very interested to see how Kaveri, first HSA CPU, will match against Haswell in legacy code.

[informal]

What i take from the benchmarks is that Steamroller will close the cpu gap between AMD and Intel more than Haswell will close the gpu gap between AMD and Intel. There's a real chance AMD leapfrogs Intel with gpu accelerated apps. i'm also very interested to see how Kaveri, first HSA CPU, will match against Haswell in legacy code.

The problem is that Kaveri "APUs" will be limited (so to say) to 3m/6thread configurations so at best it will be on par with FX8350(or on par with whatever PD based 4m part that runs at comparable clock- this is due to the fact that AMD promises 30% higher throughput versus previous generation so 6 "new" threads will equal 8 old ones).

So in legacy code 3m/6T Kaveri can maybe come close to say 4570K Haswell I guess as 8350 should be on that level(if not a bit faster in x264 for example). In other stuff Haswell will probably still hold noticeable lead but common programs are already fast enough on current gen. of chips from both suppliers. It will boil down to what people use their PCs for. If there is software support for HSA than Kaveri will for sure be faster but we need to see those accelerated workloads hit the market first ,just the same as with AVX2(which intel is pushing).

[kl0012]

Anyways...
This is a new socket right?
From my understanding so far, the cpu uses more watts then the 3770k.
But only because of the darned useless gpu thing in it (I wouldn't even use it for encoding h.264, I use lossless so it's kinda pointless...)
I wonder if you can disable the gpu.

There is no indication that Haswell uses more watts. It has 9% higher TDP due to 50% faster graphics (which can be switched off) and AVX2. When using AVX2 Haswell is up to 2x faster then Ivy, which I guess is a good trade-off for 9% higher TDP. Running old software Haswell should be more efficient than Ivy. Any way who cares about TDP - 3770K was rated 95W at the beginning.

[sin0822]

graphene currently requires LN2 to operate as a transistor, so that is a bit off.

[Buckeye]

graphene currently requires LN2 to operate as a transistor, so that is a bit off.

I have no problem with that

[BenchZowner]

Memory ctrl. performance can be destroyed with improper BIOS btw ( can't recall when we had similar terrible mem ctrl. performance leaks before, I think it was with the first Conroe E.S. if my memory serves me well )

[demonkevy666]

wasn't that the first benches with sandybridge with uop cache disabled ?

[vitchilo]

Some stores already have it at $331... so basically it would retail at the same price that an i7 3770k is? Funny if that's the case.

[tool_462]

Some stores already have it at $331... so basically it would retail at the same price that an i7 3770k is? Funny if that's the case.

That is how Intel always does it. New stuff in, old stuff down.

[highoctane]

Some stores already have it at $331... so basically it would retail at the same price that an i7 3770k is? Funny if that's the case.

That would put it over $428 US which is quite a bit higher than what the 3770k is going for $329 and lower, unless you've seen a US site list it for $331.

[vitchilo]

IMO it will be selling for US$399 maximum.

[Iconyu]

That would put it over $428 US which is quite a bit higher than what the 3770k is going for $329 and lower, unless you've seen a US site list it for $331.

You do know that 331 euro price includes 20% tax right?

[highoctane]

You do know that 331 euro price includes 20% tax right?

Technically according to the image its 21% but yes I knew that already, I just did a straight conversion as it was mentioned being $331 rather than ?331.

I'll believe the pricing when I actually see the item in stock somewhere, every generation early listings are across the board but if I where to guess it will be around $349-$379 at launch.

[hersounds]

4670k pre order



and anothers Haswy ...


i5-4430 = 4 Cores - 4 Threads - 3GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 198.63
i5-4570 = 4 Cores -4 Threads - 3.2GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 214.52
i5-4570S = 4 Cores - 4 Threads - 2.9GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 206.57
i5-4670 = 4 Cores - 4 Threads - 3,4GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 237.22
i5-4670K = 4 Cores - 4 Threads - 3,4GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 257.64
i7-4770 = 4 Cores - 8 Threads - 3,4GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 332.07
i7-4770S = 4 Cores - 8 Threads - 3GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 324.11
i7-4770K = 4 Cores - 8 Threads - 3,5GHz - LGA 1150 . U$S 371.88

[Ivanlabrie]

Looks shopped...4670k??? Why not 4570k?

[Den Leiw]

Still waiting for 8 core cpus, I hope Intel can get their act together and release it by the time Broadwell cpus come out.
4C/8T cpus are totally useless in x264 and with pc games since it doesn't bring any improvement over regular quads.

[kl0012]

Still waiting for 8 core cpus, I hope Intel can get their act together and release it by the time Broadwell cpus come out.
4C/8T cpus are totally useless in x264 and with pc games since it doesn't bring any improvement over regular quads.

AVX2-enabled version of x264 is in the work. Last commit was just 12 hours ago.

[R101]

AVX2-enabled version of x264 is in the work. Last commit was just 12 hours ago.

Im just gonna dump my current server farm, then .

[WeaponX]

Time to get the camping stuff ready and park my ass at Microcenter...

[RedBull78]

Time to get the camping stuff ready and park my ass at Microcenter...

My system is so overdue for an entire system upgrade. I believe my platform carries the NB on the motherboard, that's how old it is. I must say though that the performance is still there. Runs BF3 just fine at 19:10 resolution. My recent upgrade was a SSD and now it's almost as if I upgraded my entire system. I don't see how buying a new cpu would make things faster...everything is almost instant.

[Eldonko]

I think the numbers look encouraging. Do you really expect something revolutionary at this point? We never see more that an 4-10% gain with a new platform anymore. Bring on Haswell!

[Khenglish]

Now if they could switch to Graphene chips instead of silicon chips, then we could have an INSANE performance boost... but that will take probably 5-10 years... and by then, will it be really that good?

And I agree with everybody here... Intel needs to AT LEAST do a few HIGH PERFORMANCE chips with lots of cores, no integrated graphics and lots of cache. They could do a special Haswell chip just for the performance segment real easy... but considering the out-of-touch people running Intel, not gonna happen.

Graphene? Graphene is the wrong structure. It's diamond that is the same structure as what's been used in silicon and germanium wafers. The problem is so far people haven't figured out how to make decent sized wafers out of diamond.

There is also little reason to invest tons of money to figure out carbon wafers. The transistors alone would be much faster than silicon ones, but present day the majority of resistance and capacitance in a processor is from the interconnects, not the actual transistors, so full scale carbon processors would hardly be any faster. The reason LN2 makes processors faster is mainly due to the lower temperatures dropping the resistance of the copper interconnects. Lower temperature is a mixed bag on the transistors themselves. Even after wafers are figured out there will need to be much more research into how production processes must be altered from how they are done to silicon to how they are done to diamond. Ex. It is much easier to grow silicon dioxide for insulators on silicon than it is to grow germanium dioxide for insulation on germanium.

The main benefit of diamond would actually be much cooler chips, since diamond has around 10x the heat conductivity of silicon.