Geforce Titan - GK110 will be a consumer part

[tajoh111]

Titan overclocks like garbage. For most of us they throttle down to unacceptable speeds. I just received mine and am so disappointed in its overclocking performance that its going back. I've never done that before. GPU boost 2.0 does not work as advertised.

My Titan is the worst clocking card that I've received in years.

Here is a user on ocn with a water cooled Titan throttling to 967mhz at 1.012v. Yeah, these cards are amazing clockers.

Thats why I was talking about the power delivery and TDP. Take as a piece of silicon, they seems to have alot of potential. Combined with its naturally high performance per mhz, it has the potential to outpace even next gens cards(well the 79xx and gk104 kind). As for that guy throttling at 967. There might have been a game or program that was simply intensive that it hit those clocks regardless of temperature. The cards shows a 1202 mhz clock, so it more of a problem of the stupid throttling rather than the silicon. There is an owner here that clocks their titan at 1100 plus using the stock cooler.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Thats exactly the problem, the throttling is awful and I don't know any way around it. At least with GTX670 and 680 it was predictable. I don't even know what causes it with titan. Its an awful card for overclockers which you would think would be the target market for a desktop card that runs for a grand.

[NEOAethyr]

I have to argue and say that I personally think the target audience for overclocking is for low budget consumers.
You buy something cheap, and you clock it up to something expensive.
Having expensive stuff that overclocks is nice and all but I originally started clocking to get my system up to par with newer ones.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Yeah, everyone here at xtremesystems is using budget components.

[BuBBle.D]

Titan overclocks like garbage. For most of us they throttle down to unacceptable speeds. I just received mine and am so disappointed in its overclocking performance that its going back. I've never done that before. GPU boost 2.0 does not work as advertised.

My Titan is the worst clocking card that I've received in years.

Here is a user on ocn with a water cooled Titan throttling to 967mhz at 1.012v. Yeah, these cards are amazing clockers.

Sucks to hear that man. I get bad OCing gear very often so i know how you feel.

Did you try to raise just the power limit and leave everything else @ default?
Yesterday i played Red Faction: Armageddon and the core went up and stayed @ 1050mhz with just the power limit raised to 106%.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Its not that its a bad clocker really, its that it just throttles when its not supposed to. Its apparently a very common issue, very common. There are a lot of people on OCN complaining about the same issue.

[MaddMuppet]

To follow up -

My two TITANs from ASUS do 1.0Ghz out of the box on air. I get the feeling that more performance is possible for SLI via driver updates, however they still rock 5760x1200. I hope they are not so rare a setup that NVIDIA spends some more time optimizing SLI.

Games that would stutter with 2x GTX 680s no longer do - however it still feels like more could be squeezed out of these monsters. Very happy with the out of box overclocks!

Very nice indeed. Glad you are happy with them. Initially here, prices will be very high. I'm going to wait until MSI releases the Lightening Edition and pick up a couple of those. Prices always drop down here, even if they don't in other Countries. But our prices initially, are over the top on any new hardware.

[tajoh111]

Very nice indeed. Glad you are happy with them. Initially here, prices will be very high. I'm going to wait until MSI releases the Lightening Edition and pick up a couple of those. Prices always drop down here, even if they don't in other Countries. But our prices initially, are over the top on any new hardware.

Only way this drops in price signficantly(200 dollars or so), is if Nvidia releases another edition that has double precision disabled.

There was very little reason for Nvidia to enable this for consumers. However for the professional market, it makes for a very cheap GPU compute card. I wish this feature was disabled because, Nvidia knows that people that want this card for the compute features and don't need quadro drivers or support are easily willing to pay 1 grand for these cards.

Until yields are better, supply is better, Nvidia will over charge for these cards. Really the 899 was bad enough but 1k. The fact that these are still sold out however shows Nvidia really did its marketing and price analysis correctly.

[Lanek]

Only way this drops in price signficantly(200 dollars or so), is if Nvidia releases another edition that has double precision disabled.

There was very little reason for Nvidia to enable this for consumers. However for the professional market, it makes for a very cheap GPU compute card. I wish this feature was disabled because, Nvidia knows that people that want this card for the compute features and don't need quadro drivers or support are easily willing to pay 1 grand for these cards.

Until yields are better, supply is better, Nvidia will over charge for these cards. Really the 899 was bad enough but 1k. The fact that these are still sold out however shows Nvidia really did its marketing and price analysis correctly.

Im pretty sure we will see something like that around the Q3 Q4 of the year.. But in reality, lets imagine the GK114 is something with a bit less SP, 384bits bus, 3Go of GDDR5. ~ 2000 SP but higher base clock speed. removed DP computes parts.. you end with a pretty slighty little cores, better yields.. and they can do a good margin for a card at 600$. If they can produce the titan cores 520mm2, they could surely do one with 450mm2.

[MaddMuppet]

Only way this drops in price signficantly(200 dollars or so), is if Nvidia releases another edition that has double precision disabled.

There was very little reason for Nvidia to enable this for consumers. However for the professional market, it makes for a very cheap GPU compute card. I wish this feature was disabled because, Nvidia knows that people that want this card for the compute features and don't need quadro drivers or support are easily willing to pay 1 grand for these cards.

Until yields are better, supply is better, Nvidia will over charge for these cards. Really the 899 was bad enough but 1k. The fact that these are still sold out however shows Nvidia really did its marketing and price analysis correctly.

Prices always drop here. We are only a small market and if people won't pay those prices, then they have no other option. It's always been like that in my neck of the woods.

[Rollo]

Thats exactly the problem, the throttling is awful and I don't know any way around it. At least with GTX670 and 680 it was predictable. I don't even know what causes it with titan. Its an awful card for overclockers which you would think would be the target market for a desktop card that runs for a grand.

Overvolting overclockers are not the reference target market for anyone that I know of.

Have no clue how you'd answer a board of directors asking why you're making $300 a card using more costly components instead $350 a card using cheaper components. That's $50,000 profit lost per 1000 units to appeal to a market that a. may not matter when looking at 670/680 sales b. certainly raises return costs

We pretty much know that if they used the components necessary to clock it 100MHz higher, you'd just use that as your start point and try to get the same 300MHz or whatever and then say it's a bad OCer.

Appealing to OCers makes no business sense I see- they're too small a market. (and no offense intended, don't care what you do with your card obviously)

[zalbard]

Overvolting overclockers are not the reference target market for anyone that I know of.

Have no clue how you'd answer a board of directors asking why you're making $300 a card using more costly components instead $350 a card using cheaper components. That's $50,000 profit lost per 1000 units to appeal to a market that a. may not matter when looking at 670/680 sales b. certainly raises return costs

We pretty much know that if they used the components necessary to clock it 100MHz higher, you'd just use that as your start point and try to get the same 300MHz or whatever and then say it's a bad OCer.

Appealing to OCers makes no business sense I see- they're too small a market. (and no offense intended, don't care what you do with your card obviously)

I think you are forgetting Intel and AMD supporting overclocks for decades without any shenanigans. Truth be told, Nvidia is the first company making high-end PC components to start screwing overclockers over. There is no way around it.

We can still buy unlocked CPUs from both Intel and AMD at reasonable prices. 99% of motherboards allow for overclocking. There is tons of overclocker-targeted RAM on the market. And Radeons overclock just fine. Nobody else is complaining. Hell, there are even software ways to overclock phones and notebooks these days.

So yes, it's just Nvidia. And I see no reason to support them in this decision.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Don't quote his bs, then I can read it.

That guy is a ing troll. Dude, go somewhere else with that fanboy bull. I'm not complaining about how the card overclocks. I'm complaining about gpuboost 2.0 not working as advertised. Its an issue that Nvidia is working on and knows about. Do some ing research on the issue before you comment in an attempt to do damage control.

I seriously don't know why that troll is allowed to post here.

This is how gpu boost 2.0 is supposed to function and is the information that I based my decision to buy the card on.

My card does not function like that, there are quite a few others in the same boat. This isn't about overclocking, troll.

[STEvil]

Overvolting overclockers are not the reference target market for anyone that I know of.

Have no clue how you'd answer a board of directors asking why you're making $300 a card using more costly components instead $350 a card using cheaper components. That's $50,000 profit lost per 1000 units to appeal to a market that a. may not matter when looking at 670/680 sales b. certainly raises return costs

We pretty much know that if they used the components necessary to clock it 100MHz higher, you'd just use that as your start point and try to get the same 300MHz or whatever and then say it's a bad OCer.

Appealing to OCers makes no business sense I see- they're too small a market. (and no offense intended, don't care what you do with your card obviously)

Our market is so small we fly people all over the globe with 10's of thousands of dollars of LN2, LHE, giant phase change systems, and are employed at many companies building specialty hardware.

Yeah, we're totally a small market.

[BababooeyHTJ]

Our market is so small we fly people all over the globe with 10's of thousands of dollars of LN2, LHE, giant phase change systems, and are employed at many companies building specialty hardware.

Yeah, we're totally a small market.

I see that he quoted my post in an attempt to do some damage control. My post has nothing to do with overclocking. There are a lot of people whos cards are throttling several bins unpredictably for no reason. Titan is not supposed to function like that.

[Rollo]

I see that he quoted my post in an attempt to do some damage control. My post has nothing to do with overclocking. There are a lot of people whos cards are throttling several bins unpredictably for no reason. Titan is not supposed to function like that.

My post hasn't been edited, Capt Intelligence.

[kuroikenshi]

I have not paid much attention to Titan, I did go to OCN check out comments on OC's and what not, I am surprised on how every day OC'ers are struggling to even gain a a 10%+ OC on the freq (e.g. 1100 Mhz Core), Still Titan is a large and impressive piece of Silicon

[GoldenTiger]

Don't quote his bs, then I can read it.

That guy is a ing troll. Dude, go somewhere else with that fanboy bull. I'm not complaining about how the card overclocks. I'm complaining about gpuboost 2.0 not working as advertised. Its an issue that Nvidia is working on and knows about. Do some ing research on the issue before you comment in an attempt to do damage control.

I seriously don't know why that troll is allowed to post here.

This is how gpu boost 2.0 is supposed to function and is the information that I based my decision to buy the card on.

My card does not function like that, there are quite a few others in the same boat. This isn't about overclocking, troll.

[*video=youtube;qsuvlg8cuWA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsuvlg8cuWA[/video]

I don't want to get into it, but... one man's troll is another man's reasonable, well-thought-out poster. Personally I see your post here that I quoted as trolling, not his. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are a troll .

[UrbanSmooth]

Alright, so, what's on here? Baba is pissed off at STEvil or Rollo?

[Rollo]

So yes, it's just Nvidia. And I see no reason to support them in this decision.

Then you should not IMO. AMD sells good cards as well, buy their products if you feel their parts serve your needs better.

My point stands though, reference designs usually aren't aimed at over volters, because there aren't enough of them, and the better components cut into profit margins.

[Lanek]

Our market is so small we fly people all over the globe with 10's of thousands of dollars of LN2, LHE, giant phase change systems, and are employed at many companies building specialty hardware.

Yeah, we're totally a small market.

completely agreee .. Well i think there's more overclockers, they was in the past, you can go on forum like Guru3D and you see tons of peoples who ask on how hit, reach a certain clocks etc.. look their hardware informations listed, all you see is gpu x running at 1220mhz, cpu @ 5ghz etc etc ... the audience for overclocking have never been so large. We was only a few ( maybe 10ppls who was running overclocking for benchmark, Hwbot etc at this time there ) It is maybe because 10years ago, few peoples was know or really interested of what is in their hardware.. I have never seen so many peoples interested in H20 ( even if it is for buy corsair stuffs ).. Today you cant look a screenshoot section without seen nearly all who post games screenshoots using SweetFX, and you see directly peoples asking about OC, or for maximize their gaming rig.

10years ago, we was only a few using watercooling and overclocks ( i was using 1A-cooling H2o stuffs and was watercool a 9700-9800Pro or 2x 6600GT + my Athlon, Barton, cpu's ).. Now you see many peoples who are interested on "Modding" their rigs for look or performance .. Ofc a lot of the population, is just buying a laptop, macbook because they need it or an Ipad because they just want one, and have no real idea about harddware ( something more growing with smartphones, period ) but for pc gamers.. the target of this type of gpu finally, i think overclocking is really more natural.. its funny, there's overclocking motherboard ( what motherboard dont include in their marketing " oc features" .. before, only DFI was marketing this ). overclocking ram marketing, gpu overclocking marketing ( retail or not ), special coolers etc etc .. Even Turbo is marketed by Nvidia as a " maximize the performance of the card by self overclocking them when needed ) . Same for turbo on Intel and AMD CPU.

I think the term overclocking has never been so much used in marketing . How much overclockers have been hire thoses years by MSI; Asus, etc etc.. just for do their presentation, launch or work with them for design the motherboard, the gpu's etc... ? lol just look Cebit 2013 .

Then you should not IMO. AMD sells good cards as well, buy their products if you feel their parts serve your needs better.

My point stands though, reference designs usually aren't aimed at over volters, because there aren't enough of them, and the better components cut into profit margins.

You are speaking about the cheap "version" of AIB ... reference cards have allways been the good for overclocking, outside MSI or Asus DCII. if you want to get the best result with AMD cards, you just take the Pure reference cards, put a waterblock on them and you are good to go. .. same for Nvidia, dont take a cheap Zotac ( damn 460 ) .. you take the reference with best pwm stuffs where the guys have not put lower and cheap component on their pcb .. ( they separe their range in 2 type: high performances ( offtly a lot overclocked ), and cheap but you got what you have . Only with Nvidia we have got bad surprise thoses last years with reference design ( GTX 570 with PWM too much cheap ), 690 with bad PWM too.. etc ... No audience for overclocking, most review put an "overclocking " sessions, and in general with voltage increase ( if not, they do a second review " max overclock " ).

Every brand, reference cards or not sell you a card with a Overclocking tools, and with voltage control.. Sapphire Trixxx, Evga, Asus, MSI AB etc etc. Thoses tools are all advertised in their sites and under the informations of their cards. If the audience was so small, i dont think they will but so much time and emphasys in this .

[PedantOne]

Alright, so, what's on here? Baba is pissed off at STEvil or Rollo?

baba is pissed to all! Calm down Baba, it is ONLY VGA nothing important, only stupid toy

[[XC] Oj101]

completely agreee .. Well i think there's more overclockers, they was in the past, you can go on forum like Guru3D and you see tons of peoples who ask on how hit, reach a certain clocks etc.. look their hardware informations listed, all you see is gpu x running at 1220mhz, cpu @ 5ghz etc etc ... the audience for overclocking have never been so large. We was only a few ( maybe 10ppls who was running overclocking for benchmark, Hwbot etc at this time there ) It is maybe because 10years ago, few peoples was know or really interested of what is in their hardware.. I have never seen so many peoples interested in H20 ( even if it is for buy corsair stuffs ).. Today you cant look a screenshoot section without seen nearly all who post games screenshoots using SweetFX, and you see directly peoples asking about OC, or for maximize their gaming rig.

10years ago, we was only a few using watercooling and overclocks ( i was using 1A-cooling H2o stuffs and was watercool a 9700-9800Pro or 2x 6600GT + my Athlon, Barton, cpu's ).. Now you see many peoples who are interested on "Modding" their rigs for look or performance .. Ofc a lot of the population, is just buying a laptop, macbook because they need it or an Ipad because they just want one, and have no real idea about harddware ( something more growing with smartphones, period ) but for pc gamers.. the target of this type of gpu finally, i think overclocking is really more natural.. its funny, there's overclocking motherboard ( what motherboard dont include in their marketing " oc features" .. before, only DFI was marketing this ). overclocking ram marketing, gpu overclocking marketing ( retail or not ), special coolers etc etc .. Even Turbo is marketed by Nvidia as a " maximize the performance of the card by self overclocking them when needed ) . Same for turbo on Intel and AMD CPU.

I think the term overclocking has never been so much used in marketing . How much overclockers have been hire thoses years by MSI; Asus, etc etc.. just for do their presentation, launch or work with them for design the motherboard, the gpu's etc... ? lol just look Cebit 2013 .



You are speaking about the cheap "version" of AIB ... reference cards have allways been the good for overclocking, outside MSI or Asus DCII. if you want to get the best result with AMD cards, you just take the Pure reference cards, put a waterblock on them and you are good to go. .. same for Nvidia, dont take a cheap Zotac ( damn 460 ) .. you take the reference with best pwm stuffs where the guys have not put lower and cheap component on their pcb .. ( they separe their range in 2 type: high performances ( offtly a lot overclocked ), and cheap but you got what you have . Only with Nvidia we have got bad surprise thoses last years with reference design ( GTX 570 with PWM too much cheap ), 690 with bad PWM too.. etc ... No audience for overclocking, most review put an "overclocking " sessions, and in general with voltage increase ( if not, they do a second review " max overclock " ).

Every brand, reference cards or not sell you a card with a Overclocking tools, and with voltage control.. Sapphire Trixxx, Evga, Asus, MSI AB etc etc. Thoses tools are all advertised in their sites and under the informations of their cards. If the audience was so small, i dont think they will but so much time and emphasys in this .

I think you have your dates a bit wrong, in 2004 there were already dozens of us running sub zero LN2 was in its infancy, we were all making our own pots. Dry ice was all but ignored, and phase change was quite popular. A local company that closed down about six years ago imported 30 Vapochill and Prometeia phase change coolers, all of which sold. I still have my old Vapochill LightSpeed from them

[NEOAethyr]

I feel responsible for starting this argument...

Anyways if you don't like how one brand overclocks then buy the other, simple as that.

[BababooeyHTJ]

^ Again, this isn't about overclocking. I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

Alright, so, what's on here? Baba is pissed off at STEvil or Rollo?

Rollo rubs me the wrong way. That dude is shill.

I have him on my ignore list but I'm sure that he responded to my post with some ridiculous bs.

I have not paid much attention to Titan, I did go to OCN check out comments on OC's and what not, I am surprised on how every day OC'ers are struggling to even gain a a 10%+ OC on the freq (e.g. 1100 Mhz Core), Still Titan is a large and impressive piece of Silicon

The problem is that at the moment many titans throttle down to as low as 1.05v for no reason. They aren't supposed to do that. Thats why I posted that pcper video with a Nvidia rep explaining the ins and outs of Titan. It does a good job of explaining the way that gpu boost is supposed to work.

Its an open issue that Nvidia claims to be working on. I don't see what the usual suspects are defending. Even the guys at Nvidia don't agree with some of the comments here.