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    Cool Return of a Legend - no, not me: AMD FX-8300, 95W TDP 8 core awesomeness :D

    Greetings, fellow AMD combatants! The return of a legend: AMD FX! I never had one of the old legendary models, so this is my attempt in making up for that

    After successfully, but unintentionally derailing Zeus' combat thread with noobish explanations and bad attempts of self defence, I had the brilliant idea to start a threat on my very own, so the mess I will be leaving behind will stay contained inside this thread hopefully without any collateral damage.

    Apart from receiving the CPU from AMD Germany I didnt do anything yet ( H U G E thanks in this way again for letting me get my hands on it!) - you are the very best!

    Ok, wrong, I took a fancy teaser pic in order to show you at least something, so here it is without further ado:



    Link to Zeus' great AMD Vishera on its limit thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...-m-back!/page2

    Sorry again, Zeus - feel free to start any flamewars of your likeing in my thread as payback!

    Ok, now that I have some time on my hands (mainly for the reason my lovely mother of boards or "the Entitiy" as I call the thing as a whole refuses to show me some love, even though I am still being real nice). Anyways, I moaned enough about the board pretty much just for hiding the fact that I have no clue about the "latest" hardware evolution, latest being the last 3 years. I had lot's of fun overclocking my AMD setups in order to get the best possible performance out of my cheap, no let's call it "cost effective" (ok "dirt cheap" to be exact) gaming rigs with the pupil/student budget I was on (and more or less still am - some things never change). I would love to present you some of that meaningless numbers on mostly aircooling with the help of the universe having freezing temperatures in winter, but unfortunately apart from a couple survivors, most of my memories and pics were flushed down the toilet, when the Hwbot staff decided to kick out all results with screenshots not showing the requested tools (that simply didnt exist by the time I achieved those results xD).

    After reading XS for a little over 2 years in order to get used to the English language, relearning the vocabulary of the stuff I already knew and the part that consumed the most amount of lifetime: trying to figure out what kind of planet people from this board actually came from. -197C, liquid nitrogen, TEC-Cooling, kaskades and the kind of wording doesnt exactly ring a bell, if you are young, naiv, 18 years old and have the knowledge where water cooling is the top of the line, being way out of your league. Eventually, after 2 years, I figured most of it out to get a rough picture on how things work and so I was finally brave enough to register and start asking the most silliest of questions that you can imagine. Joining the folding team and getting to know so many people of which I dont even want to try and name 40 of them, simply because I wouldnt do justice to the other 30 who I forgot, but who are no less important. It was a great time, we laughed together, we cried together, we insulted each other, we fought together and we managed to ramp up the yearly power consumption from 3,000 kWh to 12,600 kWh. No, wait that was just me alone. Jeez, was my dad angry about that. Sorry dad and since the chances of you ever rerading this, I want to confess: it has not been the broken freezer in the basement, that thing ran perfectly fine and seeing how you measured the power consumption of every electronical device in the house was somewhat funny and scary at the same time. I would do it any time again, it was for a good cause. 1st) generating meaningless numbers on a huge chart with lots of more numbers and names while getting a nice and colorful piece of cake every day for it - jummy and 2nd) for trying to find cures for exactly the deseases my grandparents suffered and died from. You should have become suspicious when noticing that I always had the window in my room fully open and still having tropical temperatures with the heater being off - in the middle of December. Plus the noise of 3 starting jets. I feel relieved, now that the truth is out.

    It has been a fun time. I used every old piece of hardware I had collected for crunching, highly inefficient, but it worked. My poor little Sempron 2800+ was on full load for almost 3 years with next to no downtime and without heat spreader running at this speed: http://hwbot.org/submission/569005_f...29_3204.58_mhz

    I did some more benching every now and then in the following years and one of the last or even the last result I uploaded to Hwbot was this one http://hwbot.org/submission/891973_f...65_be_6710_mhz before I entered the crystasis, which kept me away from any sort of overclocking or benching for more than 3 years. I dont want to say, be easy on me, I pretty much just started overclocking, thus doing everything wrong that I can possibly do wrong, but hiding that fact wont make me happy in the long run, so let it all out. Be honest, be rude, let out whatever is on your mind

    That was way too much text but now it sits there, would be a shame to delete it. During my absence from this planet being busy coping with some terrible thing called real life, I sold or gave away most of my freaky OC gear along with my single stage, bench tables, etc, so I am back to the very basics. Still have my LN2 containers though which might come in handy later one - lets see. Now, before posting any results, I have to wait for the Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z which I am patiently awaiting from Asus Germany (thanks a lot for helping me out on this!). With the boards I tried to live along with, I split up in no time. The boards hated me at last as much as I didnt like them, so hopefully the 3rd board is a real keeper. Otherwise I am even way worse at this stuff than I already think.


    I will post results as soon as I can, so stay tuned for more, enjoy your stay, go nuts, go wild, feel yourself at home here!

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    Hey Oliver,

    Looking forward to see your results.

    When i'll have my dinner i'll think of something to derail your thread, has to be something a bit special off course, no moan about cheapass boards or something.

    Good luck bro!
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    Good luck! I think you will find the Crosshair formula z a much better mobo to OC and test.

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    1237 judging by the pic.
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    I like 8300, hope, I find one too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Hey Oliver,

    Looking forward to see your results.

    When i'll have my dinner i'll think of something to derail your thread, has to be something a bit special off course, no moan about cheapass boards or something.

    Good luck bro!
    Thank you, Zeus! I will try not to turn this into a full blame on the board to hide the fact its me causing all the trouble, so full blame on me this time

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    1237 judging by the pic.
    Yes, 1237PGN to be exact.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanK3r View Post
    I like 8300, hope, I find one too
    Not sure when, but I suppose they should be available any time soon.

    At stock vcore which results in 1.160V to 1.170V (idle to load), Cinebench 11.5 64 Bit passed at 4 Ghz. Had to stop there for now though - seems like I have to wait for that positive window of cosmic rays opening up right over my flat again in order to do some more testing
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    During all the power offs, my OCZ Vector 256GB didnt want to stay any longer and moved on to hardware heaven, so I had to stop testing. Maxed out this lovely FX-8300 at stock volts though: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14652801/Xt...4GHz%20cut.jpg

    Normal room temperatures (21-23C), cooled by a NZXT Kraken X60, fans at silent setting (900rpm). Will be interesting to see how well it scales with voltage. Update coming soon, hopefully already with the Asus board.
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    Very well written Oli Would be awesome if you return to the extreme OC!

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    I'm very interested to see how well this 8300 clocks with higher voltages , 1,4 - 1,5 .


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    Quote Originally Posted by der8auer View Post
    Very well written Oli Would be awesome if you return to the extreme OC!
    Let's see about the xtreme OC bit

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimInalA View Post
    I'm very interested to see how well this 8300 clocks with higher voltages , 1,4 - 1,5 .
    You have no idea, how hard it is for me sitting here, doing nothing, patiently awaiting the Asus board

    Which is pretty much why I coulndt just let things be and tried some more things, but now, I am really at the max I can do with the equipment at hand. In BIOS I can pretty much just set memory settings and HT/NB dividers, CPU vcore, CPU multiplier or Bus Speed are not working, so I have to do everything from Windows using AMD OverDrive and ASRock eXtreme Tuner after one another/same time in order to get the values I want. That is a science for itself, but I figured the dodgyness out - to a extend, I am surprised myself xD

    Anyways, here is the deal: I cant change CPU NB voltage at all, but I dont know if it will have any effect on CPU clocks like PLL has for Intel (when it comes to fine tuning). As soon as I overclock Bus Speed, things get a lot more random and setting multipliers above 24 is very complicated. At least, I managed to max the CPU clockspeed out at 1.3V (very roughly, only changed CPU mulis, FSB untouched) and there is a slim chance, I will be able to run Cinebench 11.5 at 5 Ghz with around 1.4V. Why only a slim chance? Well, Cinebench runs just fine until it is about 80% done, then CPU multi drops to 7 and vcore to 0.8xxV, even though I disabled all kinds of throttling in the BIOS. With higher vcore, it happens sooner, which is why I am somewhat clueless. Makes no difference running 200x25 or 218x23 with lover HT/NB and RAM dividers. Seems to be a temp or TDP thing, but temp readouts are at 11C (OverDrive ) and 39C in ASRock eXtreme Tuner, so I dont think overheating is the problem. Test environment didnt change for the sake of comparable results, so still at a room temperature of 21-23C, CPU cooled by a NZXT Kraken X60, fans at silent setting (900rpm).

    1.3V:


    Cinebench running at 1.415V:
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    wow, 5 GHz R11.5 and only 1.4V? Really impressive.
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    Hey Oli, welcome back!

    You need some better memory!

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    how do you like the nzxt kraken x60? what type of load temps are you getting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlanK3r View Post
    wow, 5 GHz R11.5 and only 1.4V? Really impressive.
    Yes, I can't wait to try it on the Asus board, where it hopefully doesnt throttle down to 200x7 under load. At 5,200 MHz it seems to lock up at room temps on any voltage. Might be also board related - I will find out shortly


    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Dan View Post
    Hey Oli, welcome back!

    You need some better memory!
    My memory is doing fine as long as I didnt even bothher to find its limits. So I am still hoping to hit crazy speeds with it. Until I prove me wrong, there I will stick with it


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    how do you like the nzxt kraken x60? what type of load temps are you getting?
    Well, I have been using water cooling for as long as I can remember (so > 2 weeks ^^, kidding, for over 10 years), but I have been very lazy to setup everything for my current rig, which has been sitting on its MB packaging on my desk for over 1.5 years by now and I already moved with it 3 times So I gave the NZXT Kraken X60 a shot replacing the boxed AMD cooler and even with my water cooling background and my passion of noiseless PCs, I was quite impressed with it. Cooling performance is great, but that is no surprise with it having 39.2k mm? surface area just for the CPU (a traditional 360 radiator has 43.2k, so just slightly more). The fans it comes with are quite universal having a broad RPM range. At Silent settings, they could be a little more quiet for my taste (which is I dont want to hear it running at all), but the can be replaced with any other fans of your liking. They are not mounted with special, unremovable parts. The unit reads liquid temperature and has the ability to set your own RPM graph depending on the temperature. I didnt check what temps I had when encoding 65GB Fraps recordings, but for Cinebench it maxed at 39C according to ASRock eXtreme Tuner.
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    NZXT Kraken looks interesting, is it available in middle Europe? I need some review Corsair H100/H100i vs Kraken x60 with OC CPU as comparison. Whats is better.
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    Caseking is official distributor for NZXT in Europe, so it will be available there first (in stock at 25th of January according to the webshop). Temp-wise, both units are produced by Asetek, so the only difference will be the included fans. For performance, the uinit with higher RPM/airflow/air preasure fans will be better, but since you can easily replace them, it doesnt matter at all
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    @Fr3ak:

    It could be that the VRMs are overheating that this is what causes the throttling when running Cinebench.
    I was browsing through the some threads at OCN dedicated to ASRock motherboards the other day to get a feel of how good their AMD motherboards are. Some people mentioned overheating VRMs causing throttling & instability.

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    That might be a possibility. I have a 120mm fan directly cooling the VRM heatsink, so apart from using water cooling, there is not really anything I could do about improving the cooling. VRMs usually have a very high operating temperature, so I would be surprised if they would overheat using active cooling after just those 30 seconds of running Cinebench, but yet, it would be the best explanation. One more thing I can think of is some kind of over current protection being involved

    I have never had a CPU or board throttling vcore and CPU multiplier under full load without crashing, so this beats me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlanK3r View Post
    NZXT Kraken looks interesting, is it available in middle Europe? I need some review Corsair H100/H100i vs Kraken x60 with OC CPU as comparison. Whats is better.
    The kraken x60 outperforms the corsair h100i

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...zxt-kraken-x60
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    could you run yur FX-8300 overclocked (whatever the highest u can get stable) in OCCT or prime95 and tell me temps after about 15 min?

    curious how the kraken x60 performs
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    Oh man Oliver is back? Nice to see you bro and nice results
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbone8ty View Post
    could you run yur FX-8300 overclocked (whatever the highest u can get stable) in OCCT or prime95 and tell me temps after about 15 min?

    curious how the kraken x60 performs
    tbone8ty: After 3 freezes while trying to set a higher vcore and multiplier, I give up for now (gotta sleep) and retry in the following days, cant promise exactly when, but here are some values for you (after the liquid has been heated up already): http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5163699

    My liquid temp now idles at 21.6C, which is just a little above room temp with stock 8300 settings and pretty much just idling with a bit of gaming over the whole evening.

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    Oh man Oliver is back? Nice to see you bro and nice results
    Thank you buddy! Nice to see one of the old (yes, you ARE old! XD) names/faces around here. The OC world has changed a lot. I will definitely lurk around here a lot more often, but not sure yet in how long and much I can affort and/or have the nerv to burn money to hunt after some meaningless numbers
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    It's all about meaningless number Oliver! I will keep following your progress. Got the Asus board already?
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    no PRIME 95 for FXS, priem 95 IS FULL OF BAGS with modern CPUs last generations! Try AMD Overdrive stability test, not bad I think. Or LINX with AVX for AMD (u must to have about 100 GFLOPS with 4.8-4.9 GHz)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    It's all about meaningless number Oliver! I will keep following your progress. Got the Asus board already?
    No, unfortunately I am still stuck with ASRock (I would totally love to get around the bad language filter and use a more creative name for ASRock, but it's against the forum rules though I can barely hold back "Oh look, lets build a board with the perfect feature set to a great price, but make sure none of the features work as intended!!"


    Quote Originally Posted by FlanK3r View Post
    no PRIME 95 for FXS, priem 95 IS FULL OF BAGS with modern CPUs last generations! Try AMD Overdrive stability test, not bad I think. Or LINX with AVX for AMD (u must to have about 100 GFLOPS with 4.8-4.9 GHz)
    Ye, I read about Prime95 and the lot being buggy on Bulldozer/Piledriver, but I stopped going for 48h Prime-stable a very long time ago, since it proves exactly nothing, which several setups showed me over the past 15 years ^^ If I can use the PC for a whole evening without a single crash gaming, encoding, copying files to stress all parts of it, then it's pretty much stable enough for me and in the end, that is all that matters
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