Yesterday, AMD released Catalyst 12.10 and Catalyst 12.11 Beta. It appears that both drivers don't support Windows XP. In fact, XP isn't even listed in the Catalyst 12.10 release notes. This could be a strong indication that AMD is planning to discontinue monthly driver support for Windows XP.
Read more: http://www.ngohq.com/news/22541-amd-...indows-xp.html
Microsucks has stopped supporting XP...
12.9 beta XP was released less than a month ago,
the next WHQL driver is probably going to be 12.10(?) I think things will be clearer then...
Anyway, why would you buy a 6000/7000 card and run XP? Seems like a waste to me, seems like XP is on life support, anyway, face it or not, XP has been in the long run and has served everyone well, time to move on. I wouldn't be surprised if ATI's next generation doesn't even support XP at all.
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They aren't (well... they WEREN'T, I don't know if that changed) supporting 7-series Crossfire in XP. It's a shame in some ways because XP is still a good O.S. choice for most benchmarks, but I can't blame them for doing it. Why pump money into a dead horse?
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i think it is not an issue with xp it is about dx9.
When i'm being paid i always do my job through.
Microsoft says soon they will drop support for WIN XP. And many others as AMD will drop support too
XP came out in 2001 didnt it? So more than a decade old, about time to start dropping it.
But AMd also said a LONG LONG time ago that XP would only receive quarterly updates on drivers. Seeing as drivers get released once a month, that means one update on XP for every 4 Win7 driver updates. Its been 2 or 3 updates now, so we will probably see an update next time.
Dont see what the big deal is.
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I'm not sure why people think Windows XP support ended!? Millions of computers will get Windows XP updates for two more years, Microsoft does not end Windows XP support until 2014!
Sure individual software companies may not support it but video card drivers should support Windows XP for two more years imho. nVidia sometimes releases Windows XP versions of their drivers only after releasing Windows 7 drivers but the thing that's troubling with Catalyst 12.10 is that there is no Windows XP listed in the official Release Notes.
If Catalyst 12.9 Beta is the last version of Catalyst for Windows XP they should say so, but it's unclear right now. I use a multi boot as do many people, I hope AMD does not end Windows XP support yet.
Microsoft is dropping security updates and support for XP in Aug 2014.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecyc...=en-gb&c2=1173
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As was said earlier, AMD only does XP driver updates once every quarter or so now.I'm not sure why people think Windows XP support ended!? Millions of computers will get Windows XP updates for two more years, Microsoft does not end Windows XP support until 2014!
Sure individual software companies may not support it but video card drivers should support Windows XP for two more years imho. nVidia sometimes releases Windows XP versions of their drivers only after releasing Windows 7 drivers but the thing that's troubling with Catalyst 12.10 is that there is no Windows XP listed in the official Release Notes.
If Catalyst 12.9 Beta is the last version of Catalyst for Windows XP they should say so, but it's unclear right now. I use a multi boot as do many people, I hope AMD does not end Windows XP support yet.
I hope by 2014 that millions of XP boxes won't exist anymore. XP was good but its time is well over. By 2014 it will be 13 years old, and the newest PC that came with XP will be at least 6 years old. By 2014 the majority had better not be XP anymore.
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XP is easier to steal........that about sums it up.
People crying about losing XP probably want full support and FREE ( stolen ) win 7. It's good to bench with but XP has ran its course and win7 is actually good.....the only reason to stay xp other than benchmarks before was vista.
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Hey, not all free Win7 is stolen. Friend gave me his old copy because he bought a new PC that already had 7 so he had no need of his original
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Windows XP and 32bits are dead ... just accept it
I know I shouldn't, but everytime I see people talking about piracy without knowing what they're talking about I lose my temper...
What you said is one of the worst possible points to make a comparision about WXP and W7. Albeit W7 is harder to crack than good old WXP corporate edition (That simply worked out of the box because it didn't needed activation), it is nonetheless possible to anyone that got enough common sense to read a TXT file and follow the instructions. If that is too hard to do, then you are not a pirate. And please, use the word "pirate", not "steal", because they're NOT the same, unless the antipiracy ads succeded in brainwashing you.
Besides, as Bill Gates said once, piracy is part of the strategy of Microsoft to make Windows platform the mainstream and de facto standard:
Basically, by using Windows, even if I didn't paid for it, I'm helping Microsoft to have a bigger OS marketshare and thus potentially more Software developers for its platform, feeding the egg-and-chicken scenario. If people was forced to pay for Software, Windows would become a small niche in third world countries where paying 100+ U$D for something that is so easy to duplicate is, plain and simply, ridiculous (That money is better spend on food, or a faster computer to actually being able to run and enjoy the Software). For Microsoft, being pirated is better than being replaced by a free Linux distribution. So actually, we could even state that piracy hurts MORE free Open Source Software market penetration while helps Microsoft to hold onto its massive OS marketshare by letting pirates get away with it. I can guarantee you that without piracy, Microsoft wouldn't be where it is at, so when you're talking about Windows piracy, never forget this fact.As long as they are going to steal, we want them to steal ours. They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade
So, what about me? I'm still using WXP SP3. If I wanted to have W7 for free, I would have done so a long time ago, so that is not the reason why I didn't upgrade. WXP, albeit old as a dinosaur, is a very fine OS, the only thing I'm missing from W7 is a few features that I don't have any use for (DirectX 11? No, sorry, no game I play requieres that), so I don't see any real need to upgrade when most of the things I do works fine, and the things that I can't get to work on WXP, don't work either on W7.
One decade ago I always upgraded to the last version of whatever Software I used (Applications or Drivers), but these days I'm far from the upgrading bandwagon because if you have something that works well enough, there is no need to fix what isn't broken. I'm started to get tired of seeing annoying bugs introduced more often that not in every new release, usually in GPU Drivers, that simply made me to not think about upgrading unless I have a real need to. And in the case of a BIG upgrade like a OS change, I would actually have to learn how to deal with whatever new obstacles W7 brings to the table that I currently know how to deal with in WXP. So, what do I win by switching to W7? Losing productive time that I need to spend learning how to tweak it to suit my tastes, so I can do with W7 the same thing that I can do on WXP? Thanks, but no. And if the day comes where I have to leave the sinking WXP ship, I would actually go to the Linux side (Where I have to learn how to deal with a new OS as with W7, but for what I want is MUCH MORE useful) instead of continue helping Microsoft maintain the marketshare.
Microsoft will miss pirates when we become extint. They will have to compete against something that is free, and is not itself.
and all patents on windows are illegal as the sole and only legal purpose of patents is to recover all costs involved in the ideas creation.
that has been long done for windows. it is legally having to be opened up to competition long ago, no locked source, but shared source codes.
otherwise no free market system can exist.
oh and none of us are pirates. for piracy requires us profiting from the sale of the product. we simply had personal copies nothing more. completely legal and nothing wrong with.
its not like we're canadian tv broadcasters, taking free to air usa broadcasts, removing their commercials , adding our own and profiting from that. actual piracy.
besides just like the PVR. no commercials are counted for those who recording and not watching live, thus not supporting the tv shows any more then a free copier from the internet.
just like a copy of windows you didn't pay for, you're only saying hey wait, your patent is null and void, you recovered costs. i will not support your financial fraud causing loss to my physical quality of life in violation of common law 3. i am not costing you anything by not paying for another copy of windows 7 x64. for i didn't cost you anything, nor am i selling it, profiting from it.
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As was said earlier where? All I can find out is news about Quarterly switch for all operating systems. Did you find out something specific about Windows XP because 12.10 official and Beta and 12.11 Beta no longer list Windows XP, there are no Windows XP drivers after 12.9 Beta...
As for Windows XP.
1. Millions of grandmas have zero reason to upgrade from Windows XP. Web browsing and email and doing nothing else, and they should upgrade, why?
2.
• Windows XP allows you to group files or folders on different parts of the screen whereas in Windows 7, you can *only* do this on its Desktop and nowhere else. Windows 7 has no option to turn Auto-Arrange off. If you need to do this for business, you have one option and one option only for grouping files/folders in order to sort them out: Windows XP.
• Windows 7 Search Engine is more difficult to use and not as reliable as Windows XP Search Engine. No GUI, and I always have to reboot from Win7 to WinXP to do a search and make sure a file is not really there because I caught Windows 7 search not finding files which existed and even took screen shots of it, they replaced a user friendly Windows XP search engine with a difficult to use and what's worse, unreliable one.
• Error-checking an external drive under Windows 7 results in a memory leak. If you use Windows 7 to check a (large) external drive for errors, you will run out of system resources due to a memory leak bug. There is no known fix to this day (!) I cannot wait to test this on Windows 8 in a couple of weeks.
Minor annoyance:
• When you right click on a web shortcut link, the correct current location of its custom icon is not displayed. But this is a problem on every system from which IE 6 is removed and replaced by Internet Explorer 7 or later, even if you use other web browsers.
That + Grandmas is the reason Windows XP will be used long after its support ends two years from now. It's not about using Windows w/o paying Microsoft. I am grateful to corporate America for twisting Microsoft's arm to both pull development resources away from creating future Windows Vista and use them instead to create Windows XP Service Pack 2 back in the day and more importantly to extend Windows XP support until 2014.
Since both OfficeMax and amazon are giving $30 store credit with pre-order,
http://www.officemax.com/technology/...ct-prod4260960
I used my OfficeMax Coupon to get it for $69.99-$10 coupon-$30 store credit = $29.99
$29.99 instead of $300 Microsoft used to charge for Windows retail takes a lot of arguments away from not paying for the OS, but that is a valid but separate topic. Not everyone uses their computer the same way as any one of us here does. That is why Windows XP will be with us for a long time to come, even beyond 2014.
didnt amd already comment on this like months ago?
there not gonna do monthly updates for products 5000 series and below
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We are talking about Operating Systems, not card versions.
I'm not sure how many Microsoft products you've watched get phased out. Major products have multiple end dates with the dates marking the end of increasingly more important aspects of support related to that product.
With Windows, Microsoft first warns that the end is coming. Then they stop selling retail editions of that product. Later they stop sales of OEM/preinstalled editions.
As a retail product, XP hasn't been on store shelves for over four years. As a pre-installed product, XP hasn't been available for over two years.
Mainstream support ended three and a half years ago. This means that if you bought a retail copy in a store in 2009 and called Microsoft with a problem, they're no longer obligated to provide support to you. They're still releasing updates for everybody, but technically speaking they could exclude you as a retail customer. They won't...but they have the right.
It is extended support that is ending in 2014. At that point Microsoft has no obligation to provide support to the commercial customers that extended support is for. They will no longer have any obligations to anyone for support of any kind and will start to slow down how aggressively they patch the platform. At first there won't be any immediately visible sign of this, but as time moves on issues will be discovered that are too difficult to fix without major rewrites of portions of the OS. Microsoft will opt to just let the issue slide. Eventually they'll quit posting updates altogether.
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OK, I was only referring to accessing Windows Updates and we will be able to do that for two more years. Perhaps I should have worded it differently
extended MS support only ends in 2014, it's the second or third most popular OS on the latest Steam Survey (Windows XP 32 bitWindows XP and 32bits are dead ... just accept it
11.89%), the thing is, XP is still adequate for many uses... and it's not that MS didn't try to kill it sooner to force the upgrade...
Windows 7 is as easy to pirate...
Windows 8 is harder from what I heard, maybe that's why people dislike Metro?
you'reing kidding me right?
you think grandma plays games? much less updates her graphics drivers?
but yes, everyone should upgrade from XP because its security model is freaking garbage. that alone is a reason to upgrade.
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It was 4000 series and below.
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