Not sure if chip survived yet. Cranky, snobby 14 year old would not allow any CPU swapping nonsense in his computer
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As far as Phenom II being strong enough to push the cards, it should be doable. 01 might suffer a bit, the others won't be so bad.
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That sucks, you really have some bad luck.
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Originally Posted by chew*
My first Phenom II 965 was the worst I had ever seen to date, needed 1.56v+ for 3.9 GHz.
Since then it's been stroke of good/bad luck back and forth.
I don't really fking understand...I was not doing anything outrageous, and if condensation was the problem, wtf do I do, I eraser the whole socket area, and the back of the board was covered in liquid electrical tape, sealed...
CPU was not wet itself either, it is sealed in socket with eraser all the time.
#$&$%*%&
Board always lives, built like a freaking rock...
The previous owner had 4.4 GHz stable with 1.55v, I knew it was a 7 gig chip and he was really abusing on it, trying to get 4.5 GHz out of his Phenom II, giving 1.65-1.7v in Prime95 with water.
Can't be surprised it died, probably got to me already degraded :/
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Wow, Prime at 1.7V on water is insane, no wonder the chip gave in. Pretty sure it was degraded when you got it.
Mafio won the third stage of this month's competition with an improved score!
Nice.
A tek-9 slim came in the mail yesterday.
Due to the hectic nature of my household, I still have not gotten shipped what I wanted to.
The 955...it lives!!!
EDIT:
Team lost 300 points? o.o
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It lives! 955 zombie!
I think it's due to the heavy PCMark benching with the new tweaks, Steve lost about 300 points team contribution as well.
that will be fixed soon enough. the supertweaks are not valid and those subs will get pulled pretty soon.It lives! 955 zombie!
I think it's due to the heavy PCMark benching with the new tweaks, Steve lost about 300 points team contribution as well.
Current Status - Testing & Research
The board lives as well! ...just installed it in a 24/7 rig, will take the 990FXA-UD5 for a few spins cold.It lives! 955 zombie!
This last CPU exhibited the same behavior as when I killed my other 955...
Everyone talking about PSCheck killing bulldozer CPUs, and BD CPUs just dying at random, I think the board might be doing it. Most of those guys say that the CPU just pops at random at what seems to be reasonable voltage, then never recovers...but a few people I know have had zombie CPUs too lately.
When running high voltage (1.9v+) on the Crosshair V Formula under LN2, it seems to have a tendency to crash, then never recover...
A few times now, the board has done that to me, and gotten stuck on CPU_LED, most of the time mashing reset and power cycling a few times fixes it...but afterwards, no settings will stick in BIOS. No matter what is set, it would boot up saying "Please enter BIOS to recover settings", in which case only pulling the CMOS battery, unplugging and leaving it would help.
It feels similar to the weird stuff with Ivy, stuck multipliers and weird behavior
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-21-2012 at 01:51 PM.
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what was that mysterious nvidia card?
It's called bios corruption and happens with unstable memory and imc, quite often inflicted by cold and high clocks. Higher you go the more likely imc will crap out....720's were notorious for it which is why few people could get good results especially on a ddr III board.
Last edited by chew*; 10-21-2012 at 07:32 PM.
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Nice to see you posting chew*
Wondering if I can send you some cards for modification and of course pay you for your time?
I still need to ship some stuff back to one more member but there are complications with going to wifes house to get stuff.......
For same reason other than one big trip I haven't sold anything since I shipped a bunch of stuff to zeneffect to get back to members. Still got hardware there a few phase units, dewars, ln2 cooling stuff.....preety much everything is still there except most vid cards and ram is gone......
I pulled my personal beast computer I built which my buddy has had for a year.......and only paid me $300 of the $1000 I sold it for which was dirt cheap for what it has.......About to give him his $300 back just so I can sell it before it depreciates even more............
Maybe later on when my lifes a little more stable.
Right now i live in a 24ft tow behind trailer parked at my buddies garage and they suck in the winter and winter is coming.
Last edited by chew*; 10-21-2012 at 08:01 PM.
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To make me fret, or make me frown.
I had strings but now I'm free.
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No worries man I am slammed at least for the next month before I have some time to do anything anyways. Hope all goes well with the complications. . .
That doesn't make sense to me when I was running 2 GHz CPU-NB @1.4v and DDR3-1066 CL9.
990FX/Crosshair V is the wrong platform to be overclocking Phenom II anyway...SuperPi I know for sure, the board costs about 10 seconds under LN2 efficiency wise. I've only had this issue a few times and mostly when binning cores on LN2 or trying for max CPU-Z. CPU_LED being stuck, like I said either mashing reset helps it or it doesn't, and whenever it recovers, I get the problem with settings not sticking on reboot from BIOS...
I've had it cross over to air too...the settings not sticking, not the dead CPU syndrome...
CLR CMOS button seemingly doesn't actually clear CMOS...and I realized I don't need to leave a CMOS battery in the board either, my settings are still there without it, only RTC changes back to 2008
After this issue occurs on LN2, I can pop in a new CPU for air and it does the same thing...set easy 4 GHz OC and the board doesn't take settings...load optimized defaults (everything was already auto) or using the jumper on the board is the only way to get it to work again...
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-22-2012 at 12:41 AM.
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That's the worst thing with todays tech - reset button does not reset anymore, power button does not power off sometimes, even clearcmos won't clear cmos for real...
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It's kind of bull...
Also on the Crosshair V with Phenom II, many times when you save and exit bios under LN2 it does not reboot, you have to hit reset once to get it to boot from there. I've set settings in BIOS, saved and went to refill my thermos, then I come back and the pot is empty/lost LN2 from UEFI load. I haven't noticed it on air.
Why put a damn CMOS battery too if the only thing it does is keep the RTC happy...looks like settings are all stored in flash memory now.
The board had no power for 24 hours with no CMOS battery and the first boot on air cooling said "Please enter BIOS to recover settings..."
Within the BIOS, all my settings for 6 GHz boot with 1.775v were there...from a different CPU. While I'm happy my CPU was not dead, those settings were not supposed to exist.
Is this similar to the issue that Maximus V boards have with Ivy and the CLR CMOS button?
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-22-2012 at 06:35 AM.
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Crosshair V was tuned to bulldozer after a certain bios......due to the different architechture most phenom II support was dropped after this specific point. Gary asked me about this and I agreed that to move forward no matter how sucky BD was which was NDA at the time that dropping PH II support was a necessary evil to improve BD support. Not that it wont work it's just not optimized for it.......
Not that the board won't work right with PH II, just need to have the right bios however electrically the board was tuned towards BD.....electrically it was also tuned to go cold for hours or extreme cold with no issues with BD where as previous boards needed you to warm certain components chips etc etc. IIRC once on a BD bios there was no flashing back to PH II bios with ch5.
If benching anything AMD board choice down to even bench specific board choice is critical......even ram/cpu used impacts board choice.
To sum up there is a right tool for every job.......using a hammer to do every job well......thats basically what your doing using PH II on ch5....eventually something will break.
Of all chips AMD I have ever clocked still to this date my favs were 3800X2 on grouper/manta, sempron on biostar, and llano on gigabyte......oddly enough none of those were top tier products yet they provided the most tweaking required, patience, skill and were very enjoyable possibly due to the challenging nature.
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To make me fret, or make me frown.
I had strings but now I'm free.
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From personal testing, BIOS 0051 is my "Phenom II" bios...(This bios does not support release-stepping BD)...
By the time I got into LN2 and wanted to run Phenom II on the board too I wasn't able to get earlier bioses (which may be more efficient?)
BIOS 9913/9920 (Shamino's betas for individual core disable) is my choice BIOS for BD CPU-Z and memory clock...ironically though, I have tested two 8150s of different weeks, one was like 1.31v VID (week 1149 IIRC), the other 1.4v VID (1210) on LN2, both hit max 1462 memory and 7374 MHz highest core. Otherwise any later 24/7-oriented bios is usually fine for multi-threading benches and stuff on FX...
Also, the way I have been overclocking with PSCheck and ROG Connect for CPU-Z is a bit different than I've seen it done. I enable what cores I want in BIOS, boot at 30.5/31/31.5 multi and like 1.725v ~6.3 GHz, then use PSCheck to lower P-State of unwanted cores + ROG Connect to do the rest. I think that's how AndreYang was doing it too, why bother messing with hex values/programming P-States in PSCheck when 31.5 is max multi and boots easy...(?)
Hopefully my method isn't what has been hurting my max clocks?
The Gigabyte 990FX boards support Phenom II in full too, full efficiency, SPi 32M times are around the same as Crosshair IV, and BD efficiency seems about the same as Crosshair V too. I picked up a UD5 so I could bench Phenom II because the M4A89TD Pro I had was not suitable for use under LN2. I talked to Infrared too which had the same problems - throttling or BSOD with any type of load on LN2...but he tried Phenom II on a 970A-UD3, had nice efficiency outside the VRM being a PITA without LLC.
I know you said you talked to Gary (where did he go? I can't get a hold of anyone at asus/rog since like December last year) about this and decided that Phenom II optimization had to be dropped but what differentiates it from possible performance on Giga? I love the board, you can almost run it in a puddle of water without issues and it doesn't die...but efficiency with Phenom II is similar to how MSI 790FX boards ran 32M vs ASUS CH III...
You gotta realize, it was because I couldn't afford another board. My M4A89 sucked and was broken, burnt trace a while back and I fixed it with a wire/solder but it pulled the trace completely off when I was trying to remove liquid elec tape from the back.
While I would have liked to had a CH III or CH IV, I put my limited money elsewhere...
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IIRC once on a BD bios there was no flashing back to PH II bios with ch5.
Flashing back was a issue. Certain code would not be rewritten if flashing back.
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Good to see you posting again, Brian!
I know what you said.
0051/0052 didn't support BD, try to put in a retail CPU and it will sit on CPU_LED all day.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...rboard-Support
AFAIK, I can flash back and forth from any bios without issue...as long as I have an X4 to flash with...been doing it for a while and it works every time
The BD bioses like 9913/9920 betas, and later finals, you can't OC Phenom II worth a
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-23-2012 at 07:42 AM.
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I feel like I'm talking to a wall.......but lets try one more time......flashing forward at a certain point overwrote part of the bios.......flashing back could not overwrite this part of bios becasue it's not part of the flash.......yes you could flash back but it would not write the previous microcode back.........We made this very clear back then in the ch5 beta bios thread.
Elpida hyper compatibility was dropped as well for justifiable reasons......IC's no longer being made would be a good start of the reason.
You had quite a few boards and stuff donated, you sold them. Your choice. I don't even OC anymore and I still never sold my "tools" and what I did sell I kept "close to home" so to speak.
As far as Gary, we haven't chatted much but I can imagine that time spent on AMD platforms probably got cut with ivy on the way.
I never really tried to contact people, they contacted me, thats the way this industry works.
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1. Yes, I understand what you've been saying. However AGESA microcode is reported in BIOS as changed when I flash the older BIOS back and all compatibility comes back too- the board acts like it did when I had it before Bulldozer. I'm not saying you're wrong or right- and I remember the discussion you talk about- but all I'm telling you is how it behaves and what I can see...and having had the board before BD came around and having done some OC on it with Phenom II before ever having flashed a BD bios, I know that the board behaves the same now to me with a Phenom-only BIOS than it did before BD was here. Maybe the microcode you are speaking of only relates to the efficiency problems I'm mentioning???...
But IIRC, you and I both agreed early on, a year or more ago, that none of the BIOSes were tuned for Phenom II, because even the BIOSes without BD support already had preliminary Bulldozer ES support.
2. Elpida Hyper compatibility dropped? I don't think so. I was able to hit almost 2133 P95 stable with my first FX-8150, over 2000 stable with two after that. Phenom II, still 1830+ in 32M under LN2 (but like I was saying, the board is slow)- http://hwbot.org/submission/2295560_...in_31sec_657ms
3. You/Simon/unclear exactly who donated an 890GPA-UD3H...Gary donated me a 4870X2 after I already owned HD5770s and it was doing nothing but sitting...eventually I wanted to upgrade, I had no cash, what did you expect? Anything else that was given to me, I still have...the Micron D9 from you and chispy, the 565 BE from Simon, the M4A89 / X25-V from Gary and the Corsair H70 you donated are still in my hands and being put to good use, minus the M4A89 that committed suicide in a 24/7 machine. Talking to me like I just turned around to take $$$ for all of the stuff that was donated to me is pretty low, the 4870X2 went to a good home (kid my age at TPU that needed a GPU badly for cheap, sold for like $90 shipped long ago) and the 890GPA-UD3H I sold local to a guy 15 minutes away who I have met personally...
Gary was going to send me a lot more stuff in July 2011, gave FedEx a package, told them to hold it until I got back from vacation, then disappeared...I never heard from him again except a few short PMs, (one saying smth like "Hope you're enjoying your new stuff"), and tried to email him but the package never arrived and till this day is unclear if it even got back to him...after a few months I gave up on bothering him about it, he was too busy with other things to remember he had sent it/realize it hadn't gotten here.
4. That makes sense, but he hasn't been around at all for a year now, nor has Brian(@ASUS), the only people around are Raja and Praz who IMO are a little bitter toward the community and often ignore people...futhermore barely post here and don't update here anymore, just keep to ROG Forums.
5. While it's nice that people contacted you, how much does it hurt to ask? At least one person contacted me too, I didn't go ask Gary for stuff, he asked for my addy and it showed up at my door...but things have changed, those people got reassigned, nobody is asking anymore because nobody is looking for people to ask. Furthermore, if I ask and don't receive, I'm not gonna sit and
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You and I are much alike, and that's why we don't get along. We both have thick skulls and are very opinionated, we're confident in what we say and aren't extremely receptive to change. We don't always go about things the most efficient way, either. While I'd love to sit here and argue all day about what you think and what you think about my methods or what you think I don't understand, I've got bigger things to do...
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-24-2012 at 04:09 PM.
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This thread has taken quite a turn for the worse...
Prepping my UD5 and zombie 955 now...got like 5-10L LN2 left, gonna try to use it up tonight tackling CPU-Z/1M/32M on a fresh OS. Had a migraine all morning/afternoon so skipped school and was bedridden...now I'll just stay up the night to fall back into sleep rhythm.
7088 MHz was the highest number I saw with it on the CHV, hopefully I can match that again and get that validated...
Top 3 32M should be easy, depending what it has in it for CPUNB, then 1st/2nd will be a stretch with this CPU. Feels good to have a 7 GHz 955 though
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 10-24-2012 at 04:29 PM.
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Gary contacted you shortly after my donation and thread and while we were in daily contact and I was working closely with ROG. Things that make you go hmm.
I'll answer this only.....
In this industry?
More than you can fathom.
Won't even comment on the rest other than I gave you advice......do with it what you will.
We are far from alike.
You remind me of my son........who is now court ordered in dcf custody and facing many charges because he doesn't listen to quality advice.
Last edited by chew*; 10-24-2012 at 08:43 PM.
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