Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[UrbanSmooth]

Try watching "HD" videos of console gameplay on YouTube. By now, 99% of us should have at least 1080p monitors, and viewing the very muddy, disgusting, and insulting 720p console gameplay can be very nauseating. Good riddance, PS3, Xbox 360, and...LOL Nintendo...

Bring on the 1080p consoles, already! They're only late to the party by 5 or 6 years. After 2013, friends, we should see graphics take off once again! ODE TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF VIDEO GAMES!!

[GoldenTiger]

Try watching "HD" videos of console gameplay on YouTube. By now, 99% of us should have at least 1080p monitors, and viewing the very muddy, disgusting, and insulting 720p console gameplay can be very nauseating. Good riddance, PS3, Xbox 360, and...LOL Nintendo...

Bring on the 1080p consoles, already! They're only late to the party by 5 or 6 years. After 2013, friends, we should see graphics take off once again! ODE TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF VIDEO GAMES!!

Uh, the Wii U actually runs most of its games at 1080p.

[Generic user #2]

Uh, the Wii U actually runs most of its games at 1080p.

whats your point? the Wii U is the generation after 'PS3, 360, and Wii'

[GoldenTiger]

whats your point? the Wii U is the generation after 'PS3, 360, and Wii'

My point, is he asked for next gen consoles to run 1080 in 2013 and 2014 when the Wii U is coming this November.

[UrbanSmooth]

Uh, the Wii U actually runs most of its games at 1080p.

Ha, 1080p cartoons don't count.

[DeathReborn]

Uh, the Wii U actually runs most of its games at 1080p.

Ha, 1080p cartoons don't count.

Funnily enough "New Super Mario Bros U" claims of 1080p were withdrawn by Nintendo and Nintendo can't confirm any title as being 1080p. When you look at the game it really isn't that taxing graphically, almost cartoon-like yet a 1080p claim is withdrawn.

Consoles need a upgrade port so you can buy and plug in a new module with a better GPU/CPU on board for an upgrade, that's the only way these 5/7 year cycles won't inhibit PC's so much.

[GoldenTiger]

Funnily enough "New Super Mario Bros U" claims of 1080p were withdrawn by Nintendo and Nintendo can't confirm any title as being 1080p. When you look at the game it really isn't that taxing graphically, almost cartoon-like yet a 1080p claim is withdrawn.

Consoles need a upgrade port so you can buy and plug in a new module with a better GPU/CPU on board for an upgrade, that's the only way these 5/7 year cycles won't inhibit PC's so much.

Most Wii U titles run at 1080 for launch. Black Ops 2 is, ZombiU is, Rayman Legends will be, tank tank tank is, sonic racing is, etc. Why Mario U isn't I have no idea but it is the exception not the norm. Oh, assassin's creed is also.... With way better graphics than 360 to boot.

[MaddMuppet]

Try watching "HD" videos of console gameplay on YouTube. By now, 99% of us should have at least 1080p monitors, and viewing the very muddy, disgusting, and insulting 720p console gameplay can be very nauseating. Good riddance, PS3, Xbox 360, and...LOL Nintendo...

Bring on the 1080p consoles, already! They're only late to the party by 5 or 6 years. After 2013, friends, we should see graphics take off once again! ODE TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF VIDEO GAMES!!

One can only hope. I would also like the game-play to match as well. The Console gaming experience tends to be dumbed down a bit compared to what we used to get when there weren't any around.

[crash5s]

Try watching "HD" videos of console gameplay on YouTube. By now, 99% of us should have at least 1080p monitors, and viewing the very muddy, disgusting, and insulting 720p console gameplay can be very nauseating. Good riddance, PS3, Xbox 360, and...LOL Nintendo...

Bring on the 1080p consoles, already! They're only late to the party by 5 or 6 years. After 2013, friends, we should see graphics take off once again! ODE TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF VIDEO GAMES!!

A note on consoles, when they released most people did not have an HDTV, let alone a 1080p HDTV. The vast majority of gamers were running their 360's and PS3's off ye old CRT TVS, and for the few with HDTVs the majority were 1080i or 720p, so the consoles just did everything in 720p. There was no point in pushing anything above 720p because almost nobody had a TV to actually use it. It would have been pants on head jaw droppingly stupid to release content and spend time on things people couldn't use.

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a damn blue ray.

[phantomferrari]

A note on consoles, when they released most people did not have an HDTV, let alone a 1080p HDTV. The vast majority of gamers were running their 360's and PS3's off ye old CRT TVS, and for the few with HDTVs the majority were 1080i or 720p, so the consoles just did everything in 720p. There was no point in pushing anything above 720p because almost nobody had a TV to actually use it. It would have been pants on head jaw droppingly stupid to release content and spend time on things people couldn't use.

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a damn blue ray.

if youre going to build a console with a 5 + life in it you cant build it just to meet the norm of the time. i personally think these long life cycles are really killing gaming technology innovation. consoles were originally gaming consoles but nowthey have also become entertainment centers. while it certainly is very nice to be able to stream things to the console to watch it on the tv I think that both sony and microsoft are neglecting the gaming aspect of their consoles more and more. i know you cant put the latest and greatest tech in a console due to multiple reasons but you sure can upgrade those console a little bit more often. the xbox was released in 2005 and we probably wont have the next generation one til the end of 2013. thats an 8 year shelf life which to be frank is just too long. personally, a 5 year shelf life would be perfect. i know that some people dont need or want the latest and greatest in their xbox and that is why both microsfot and sony should do 2 things: 1) make old games backward compatible with the new console. i use a pc primarily and i have no problem playing a game from quite a few years ago on my modern pc. i know there is programming difficulties in doing so but like i said in the beginning, if youre going to have a 5 + year console life you cant neglect important things like that. people can build up such a huge gaming library in that time and to tell them that the next console wont support most if any of their games which they love and spent a good deal of money on is pretty crappy on microsoft's and sony's part. 2) have multi tier console models. some people might not need or want a lot of what a new console offers except for a features. make a few different models which could cater to everyone and not just a single model. i dont consider just changing the hard drive size as having a different model. 4K television while just announced is most likely going to be the next big thing when it comes to entertainment. while i dont expect the next gen console to support 4k gaming it would be nice to get a console that does support it a little before 2020, but with the way things are going now i dont see that happening

[Chickenfeed]

A note on consoles, when they released most people did not have an HDTV, let alone a 1080p HDTV. The vast majority of gamers were running their 360's and PS3's off ye old CRT TVS, and for the few with HDTVs the majority were 1080i or 720p, so the consoles just did everything in 720p. There was no point in pushing anything above 720p because almost nobody had a TV to actually use it. It would have been pants on head jaw droppingly stupid to release content and spend time on things people couldn't use.

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a damn blue ray.

I agree with your first part regarding HDTV proliferation at the time of the 360s launch but why, may I ask, do you hold the preference of gaming on a console given you have a decent PC?

I actually use my second machine to game with a controller on a home theater setup and I much prefer it over my PS3 for a myriad of reasons ( I use that basically for Netflix and the odd exclusive title ) The only place it has the PC beat is on simplicity and cost, it loses hands down everywhere else.

The thing with the current gpu architectures is there are at a point where 1080 is plausible as a mainstream resolution using the kind of hardware you'll see in consoles going into the future. Even if everyone had a HDTV when the 360 and PS3 launched, the hardware just wasn't there to make full HD a reality. This was a time when it took a top of the line machine to run current games at *only* 1600x1200, not even close to the kind of the crazy surround setups that are possible now. A mid tier Kepler or Southern Island gpu will be adequate to make most console titles purr along at a decent clip.

Long lifecycle said, the consoles have done quite a lot with what little they have by today's standards. Things like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 2/3 look very nice on the whole so it will be quite interesting to see what the future console hardware will usher in 3-4 years down the line.

As far as the K20 goes, any clue when we can expect more info on the design?

[UrbanSmooth]

Lastly, I'll take gaming at 720p on console over gaming on a PC just about any day of the week. If I want graphics and whizbang, I'll watch a **** blue ray.

::smh::