AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[radier]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

[thematrixhazune]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

That 4100 has twice the memory though. Does 3dmark11 rely heavily on mem?

[informal]

Great?? :f

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/2416290

5% faster compared to similar clocked FX-4100

So 5% is bad now? Do you know what it takes in terms of CPU design to get 5% IPC increase? IB didn't get this much over SB but it's awesome!1!1!1!

Please if you haven't got anything meaningful to add stay clear of this topic. Thanks.

[xdan]

So 5% is bad now? Do you know what it takes in terms of CPU design to get 5% IPC increase? IB didn't get this much over SB but it's awesome!1!1!1!

Please if you haven't got anything meaningful to add stay clear of this topic. Thanks.

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

[Stukov]

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

I'm trying to just watch thread for info on PD, but I gotta jump in. Firstly TDP stands for Thermal Design Power, its reference on AMD to the maximum heat created, thus needed for cooling systems. It isnt the power draw. Secondly saying APU doesn't make sense is just ludicrous. You think its better to go back to the days when you have to have 5 different chips on a board? Five separate cooling systems, increased cost for board design, the cost of having to synchronize and work more separate components from a variety of vendors, and increase power loads? There is a reason the entire industry has moved to move more of the computer system into one chip. Even Intel is doing this and done so successfully. You can ALWAYS add a dedicated card into a system (if designing the system or building yourself) arguing it doesnt make sense to include is, as I said, ludicrous.

Furthermore I don't see anyone arguing that Intel's chips aren't overall superior to AMDs so acting like or calling someone a "fanboy" when discussing what may or may not be improvement to AMD's designs is just plain trolling.

Can we please stop talking about Intel in this thread with exception to data extrapolation.

[Nintendork]

5% only it's bad because FX 4100 it's bad. Amd made a trash cpu so it should have worked harder with Trinity/Pilledriver.
IB it's avesome because SB it's avesome, and because on LN did get a big jump from 6GHZ on 7Ghz.
And also IB has overall 5-7% performance improvment depends on aplication.

Personally APU doesn't make sense only on mobile, on desktop even if you spend 50$ more an i3 + dedicated graphics just make more sense.

As an AMD fanboy you shouldn't be so happy until the full picture it's clear, until the reviews are on. AMD it's now a master in bad surprises.
FX 8350 performance seems good but it will be ruined with another 10-15% more power consumption(if it is).
125W TDP doesn't translate clear in same power consumption. It could be more.
And AMD clear will not ruin it's new product with " 140W TDP" sign.


Let the results to speak for themselfes and then, do the praising to AMD.

It surely has more sense investing 50$ more to get an inferior dedicated gpu, no overclockeable cause of pci-e sub75w limit + no overclockeable cpu.

And that "dedicated gpu" will be probably the most basic, noisy, cheapo-cooling HD6570 + inferior DDR3 1600.


On the APU side you only invest $130 for the nice cpu(+OC), a nice gpu than when OC'd can stay toe to toe with the HD6750 and be way faster than the new HD7750 DDR3, sure it doesn't make sense

It also doesn't make sense when you see intel heavily investing in reducing power consumption and offering the "best gpu" they can for the mobile space. Sure, APU's doesn't make sense.



informal
We don't really need the NDA lift for Trinity, we already know from toms' previews. The only interesting thing will be OC capabilities on the gpu + power onsumption vs Llano.