AMD Trinity news (looks, its near to launch?)

[jjj]

4 SKUs announced http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2012/06/...o-the-desktop/

[cezar]

AMD claims no delay with desktop Trinity:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/...sktop-trinity/

[tbone8ty]

so spend $100 more give or take then.. but you want trinity for $300 less. please show me a $500 laptop that will get close to a trinity setup please. where are the power usage charts between those systems then? i bet the amd setup draws way less than the intel/nvidia one in that so called review.

true this so called "review" was kinda ty

i even commented on the post lol

have to wait for a reputable review site to give us a complete analysis

(http://tbreak.com/tech/2012/06/amd-t...rmance-review/)

[tajoh111]

true this so called "review" was kinda ty

i even commented on the post lol

have to wait for a reputable review site to give us a complete analysis

(http://tbreak.com/tech/2012/06/amd-t...rmance-review/)

This problem cannot be ignored. For 800 dollars you can get a core i5 or i7 with discrete graphics that exceed the capabilities of trinity on the GPU side and CPU side. Along with having much weaker branding than Intel in particular, they are not doing themselves any favors by pricing themselves so close to Intels and Nvidia based laptops. So either the partners are charging to much or the AMD is charging too much for trinity.

Regardless of how much you love and want AMD to succeed, against a Intel laptop with discrete graphics(from either company) with better performance, it has to be priced lower(much) because 90+% of the public will pick Intel at the same price point.

They need to undercut an Intel laptop by 15% plus because the performance delta is greater than that.

[tbone8ty]

This problem cannot be ignored. For 800 dollars you can get a core i5 or i7 with discrete graphics that exceed the capabilities of trinity on the GPU side and CPU side. Along with having much weaker branding than Intel in particular, they are not doing themselves any favors by pricing themselves so close to Intels and Nvidia based laptops. So either the partners are charging to much or the AMD is charging too much for trinity.

Regardless of how much you love and want AMD to succeed, against a Intel laptop with discrete graphics(from either company) with better performance, it has to be priced lower(much) because 90+% of the public will pick Intel at the same price point.

They need to undercut an Intel laptop by 15% plus because the performance delta is greater than that.

i totally agree! AMD definitely needs to undercut Intel,

unfortunately i fear AMD's pricing for their top tier mobile Trinitys will be high and very close to "comparable" Intel/Nvidia laptops.

im hoping thats not the case and this laptops price is MSRP and will be much cheaper when on sale

also people pointed out the review didn't do battery life tests

waiting for legit reviews

[sergiojr]

Tom has made a review of desktop Trinity
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html

[FlanK3r]

WOW!!! 15%

At this year’s Computex, AMD announced that Trinity-based APUs for the desktop are already shipping in machines from Acer, Asus, HP, and Lenovo. The chips just aren’t available in the channel yet. And as a result, we don’t yet know what any of these processors are going to cost. Not that it matters—this is a preview and we’re not here to pass judgment. Motherboard BIOS bugs are still being worked out and drivers are still not quite complete.

What we’re left with, then, are initial impressions.

Let’s start with the Piledriver architecture, which everyone is hoping will show up in a desktop-class CPU sooner than later. Our per-clock cycle testing suggests that the revised design, as it’s implemented on Trinity, is as much as 15% faster than Bulldozer

[haylui]

Piledriver core looks nice compared to Bulldozer...

[~CS~]

Indeed 15% is very nice, especially considering Trinity does not have any L3 cache.

[informal]

Indeed 15% is very nice, especially considering Trinity does not have any L3 cache.

Indeed it is. IF they manage 4Ghz stock clock for FX Next and L3 brings additional few % of performance over Trinity,FX Next may end up being significantly faster than 8150,think 25+%.

[jakefalcons]

damn drooling at the prospect of a cpu thats clock for clock 15pct faster and consumes much less power. Too bad i couldn't wait to upgrade my cpu kinda seems like another phenom 2 moment

[cobra_kai]

15% is best case, most of the tests look much closer than that (although I am too lazy to figure out the actual percentage) and llano even wins a few of them. I'd wait for some more reviews before passing judgement though. Certainly the GPU looks like it will be a nice step up.

[ajaidev]

They should have included HD4000 results just for reference, given a chance i would have bought a 5800K combo but since its months away according to Tom and my retailer i bought 3770K with Z77 instead i would be interested to see how well a HD4000 stands against HD7660 in OCed mode and normal mode.

[informal]

15% is best case, most of the tests look much closer than that (although I am too lazy to figure out the actual percentage) and llano even wins a few of them. I'd wait for some more reviews before passing judgement though. Certainly the GPU looks like it will be a nice step up.

The comment about 15% IPC increase is versus Bulldozer,not Llano... Llano still has overall higher IPC. But the point is that Trinity is still faster due to design choices(higher lock speed,aggressive TurboCore,power savings etc.). Trinity is overall faster than llano, in numbers around 15% based on all CPU tests. GPU portion is ~25% faster than the one in Llano. On top of these positive increases in both CPU and GPU performance,Trinity is able to reach high clocks unlike LLano which tops at 3.7Ghz with high end air cooling. Trinity should be able to reach similar clock(or higher) than FX4100 ,so around 4.8Ghz on air cooling. This is more than enough to make it plenty faster than Llano @ max OC (~3.7Ghz). On top of all this,Piledriver core with no L3 cache is ~10-15% faster than Bulldozer core with L3. Even if Vishera with its 8MB of L3 is only 10% faster than 8150,it will clock higher (3.8-4Ghz stock) and this will make it a significant upgrade for AM3+ users. ~20% faster than 8150 means IvyBridge 3770K/2700K territory in many MT workloads,which is tremendous achievement.

They should have included HD4000 results just for reference, given a chance i would have bought a 5800K combo but since its months away according to Tom and my retailer i bought 3770K with Z77 instead i would be interested to see how well a HD4000 stands against HD7660 in OCed mode and normal mode.

HD4000 can't match Llano in desktop version(both desktop chips). Trinity is 25-30% faster than Llano in games with proper(read : decent) DDR3 memory. Trinity can OC the GPU part to ~1Ghz on air(according to AMD via THG article). All of this should tell you that HD4000 vs 7660D is no contest.

[tbone8ty]

Sweet! Can't wait for am3+ piledriver!

[flyck]

They should have included HD4000 results just for reference, given a chance i would have bought a 5800K combo but since its months away according to Tom and my retailer i bought 3770K with Z77 instead i would be interested to see how well a HD4000 stands against HD7660 in OCed mode and normal mode.

Well the difference between llano and HD4000 on desktop is night and day. So adding additional performance on that will make it bigger i assume. You can get an id with anandtech HD2500-4000 performance tests though... but be carefull it aint pretty.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5871/i...phics-tested/3

But 3770K is hardly a compititor for the 5800K. i3 and probably very lowish i5 might be where trinity lands for competition, so its seems weird to go either 5800K or 3770K. Thats probably more than double the price...

[haylui]

sigh, when AMD has a slightly competitive product, people start to look even further as they have never came across the performance of Bulldozer...

[tbone8ty]

HP dv6 $699

A8-4500m

http://www.techpowerup.com/167727/HP...inity-APU.html

kinda expensive and I don't think it has a discrete gpu

[Stevethegreat]

Llano gpu parts were overclocking exceptionally well. If the same is true for the 7660d then I would expect it to reach hd5670/9600gt level of performance (after oc), which is not bad for an intergrated part...

Given that gpus is Amd's remaining edge a lot can be determined by 7660d 's performance...

[tbone8ty]

trinity is showing up, 3 at HP, even the sleekbook with 17w

also at the egg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215419

[Oliverda]

even the sleekbook with 17w

Did I miss something?

[cobra_kai]

Not very impressed with those HP options - they are too big and heavy. I thought there were going to be ultrabook-esque offerings with trinity?

Give me something with a good 13 inch screen that weighs around 3 pounds and has a ssd option and I will be very interested.

[tbone8ty]

HP sleek book

http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/hom...kbook-6-1010us

Has 17w trinity (A6-4455M)

[Manicdan]

4 threads,
decent turbo,
less than 1" thick,
9 hours of light use,
can play games probably very well compared to a bobcat laptop, (do we have estimated perf between that 7500m gpu and others?)
under 1000$ even after you swap out for an SSD and more ram

[tbone8ty]

And backlite keyboard