Quanta sues AMD over defective chips

[zanzabar]

Didn't NVIDIA just have a spat of mobile chips that had issues? Yeah.. mistakes still slip through the cracks. Now the problem is whether this was greed or a misunderstanding.

NV whent and shipped every chipset and mobile non g92 part for like 3 years that was ROHS compliant with the bad solder and the chips disconnected from the boards, it wasnt from specs or anything other than NV being stupid or not caring to redesign chips that were meant for led solder.

One multi billion dollar company with teams of lawyers and product specialists sues another multi billion dollar company over a potentially defective product and you call BS? Is that a knee jerk reaction or something?

Read the lawsuit. It isn't BS at all. If you check out the documents filed and read the official press releases, this is about AMD misreporting the thermal characteristics of their chips. They sent information to Quanta, Quanta used that information to design thermal management solutions that were supposed to (if AMD's information was accurate) efficiently disperse the chip's heat. Instead, AMD's chips went OVER their stated TDP envelope, overwhelmed the cooling solution and essentially caused a large amount of RMA due to malfunctioning notebooks.

That's pretty serious stuff IMO but as the article stated, the fact that this couldn't be settled out of court is very surprising.

i guess u would most likely be right, but if u ever used one of their laptops they were bound to kill whatever chips were in them, the chips im 100% sure were not speced for passive cooling and thats what those laptops basically use.

[blindbox]

Interestingly, in programming, that statement need not necessarily means Intel TDP != Real Life TDP , btw.

Anyway, that said, why didn't other manufacturers sue AMD for the same reasons?

[zir_blazer]

A little know fault that affects older Athlons 64 is what I'm dealing with. The thermal grease bewthem the Core and the Heatspreader seems to dry up after a few years causing the Processor to SEVERELY overheat.

[BeepBeep2]

Hmm, but aren't AMD (and intel) CPU warranties only 3 years?

[Sunfire]

Ouch, AMD took an arrow in the knee.

[flyck]

not sure how they are going to prove that... might as well be the cpu voltage that was set to high by the motherboard.

[Manicdan]

If AMD understated the tdp of a product and it ended up exceeding the capacity of the cooling solution engineered around AMD's claimed specifications then I see reasonable fault with AMD's specification.

Company X makes a train advertised to travel at a max speed of 200mph
Company Y manufactures and installs the track for the train which has a rated max safe speed of 200mph
Who would be at fault if the trains running on the track derailed because the trains where capable of exceeding their max claimed 200mph speed, the max speed for which the rails where designed to operate safely.

tires for cars are just like that. you buy tires rated for a speed beyond the cars max speed for that very reason. i sure would not want to be on a train if all they had to do was go down hill and increase the speed by .1 mph for it to fly off the tracks, things like wear and tear would reduce the max speed aswell. same goes for thermal properties. imagine the room goes up 5C, completely ignoring the cooling capacity which we can assume is working 100% like new, whos fault would it be then? do we blame the person who touched the thromostat, or the heatsink which was built to work just well enough? if the heatsink is built exactly for the TDP, then i hope theirs no dust buildup slowing the fan down by even 1%.

[mAxius]

none of you have the facts straight here is a nice source to point all of you in the right direction.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...;siu-container

"The suit is centered on the ATI RS600ME, an integrated graphics solution, an AMD spokesperson told CNET."

Now here is a schematic of the affected part http://notebookschematic.com/wp-cont...06/NEC-SG1.png

Looks to me intel is starting trouble again and using quanta as a pawn. I mean isn't it funny that 1 week before CES Amd has such a negative headline regarding its chips and the culprit is an old intel chipset that they had absolutely nothing to do with.

[gallag]

none of you have the facts straight here is a nice source to point all of you in the right direction.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...;siu-container

"The suit is centered on the ATI RS600ME, an integrated graphics solution, an AMD spokesperson told CNET."

Now here is a schematic of the affected part http://notebookschematic.com/wp-cont...06/NEC-SG1.png

Looks to me intel is starting trouble again and using quanta as a pawn. I mean isn't it funny that 1 week before CES Amd has such a negative headline regarding its chips and the culprit is an old intel chipset that they had absolutely nothing to do with.

Over two years to make a post and this is it? Its intels fault?

[god_43]

none of you have the facts straight here is a nice source to point all of you in the right direction.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-57...;siu-container

"The suit is centered on the ATI RS600ME, an integrated graphics solution, an AMD spokesperson told CNET."

Now here is a schematic of the affected part http://notebookschematic.com/wp-cont...06/NEC-SG1.png

Looks to me intel is starting trouble again and using quanta as a pawn. I mean isn't it funny that 1 week before CES Amd has such a negative headline regarding its chips and the culprit is an old intel chipset that they had absolutely nothing to do with.

...wtf? although i would not be surprised if intel was involved, you did you come up with that conclusion? because i doubt intel has any dogs in this fight.

Over two years to make a post and this is it? Its intels fault?

lol he borrowed your tinfoil hat.

[mAxius]

more info here http://www.dailytech.com/Quanta+Sues...ticle23679.htm

this is what came to mind when i saw amd has a x86 tablet http://hothardware.com/News/Taiwanes...DBased-Tablet/ and this perhaps this was a move to create so much negative attention no one would notice it. since intel is set to release x86 tablets and smartphone chips at ces

[informal]

He was talking about this :
http://notebookschematic.com/?p=13280



Note that the chipset was designed by ATi and was for intel yonah CPUs.

[gallag]

lol he borrowed your tinfoil hat.

I suppose its not as crazy as my idea lol, but if i had over two years to make a post it might even make sense.