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[flopper]

2x7950 covers my needs for 2 years at least.

[Stevethegreat]

2x7950 covers my needs for 2 years at least.

I guess it depends on whether a new console is out in the corner or not. My setup with the dual 8800GTs (mid range cards from 2007) can still play most games at max in medium resolutions. That's four years and counting.

If however a new console is about to be released "your" card won't last for a year (see what happened to X1XXX series - great products which had the bad luck to be released about/around the time the new consoles were coming out).

It's a sad state of affairs but computer hardware's evolution is not "independant" anymore...

[flopper]

I guess it depends on whether a new console is out in the corner or not. My setup with the dual 8800GTs (mid range cards from 2007) can still play most games at max in medium resolutions. That's four years and counting.

If however a new console is about to be released "your" card won't last for a year (see what happened to X1XXX series - great products which had the bad luck to be released about/around the time the new consoles were coming out).

It's a sad state of affairs but computer hardware's evolution is not "independant" anymore...

ah well, got to buy things anyhow
dont play with consoles not likely to start anytime either.

[Manicdan]

I guess it depends on whether a new console is out in the corner or not. My setup with the dual 8800GTs (mid range cards from 2007) can still play most games at max in medium resolutions. That's four years and counting.

If however a new console is about to be released "your" card won't last for a year (see what happened to X1XXX series - great products which had the bad luck to be released about/around the time the new consoles were coming out).

It's a sad state of affairs but computer hardware's evolution is not "independant" anymore...

we also do not know what the next consoles will even need. also since the last console the PC world has adopted multi gpu as a commonplace (if we wanted extra AA or resolution). while the console world will probably be stuck at 1080p. so i somehow suspect the next wave of consoles will not launch at 600$, or even come close to matching PCs. instead i bet they focus on more fun for the family, and keeping it affordable.

i think 2x 7950s will be the best bang/buck for the next 5 years, which is why i am about to jump on that wagon myself. (this is all just an educated guess, and by educated i mean strait up guessing)

[Stevethegreat]

ah well, got to buy things anyhow
dont play with consoles not likely to start anytime either.

Sure, but the developments in the console world dictate the worth (and longevity) of your hardware.

What's good in having a super duper HD 9990 dual card if there's no software (games) to use even 1/10th of its power (since everything is a console port these days)?

Or -in reverse- what's good in buying the latest card only to find shortly thereafter that all games require twice that power only because the latest consoles happen to have a card more powerful than yours (therefore everybody develops with *that* in mind)?

Like I said, it's sad, but the console world IS part of our lives (no matter how much most of us -here- wouldn't want to have anything to do with it).

[Mech0z]

When should we expect GTX 660? jan, feb march?

[LightSpeed]

4th Dec sounds very optimistic for Pitcairn, I believe its somewhere in January. Should bring about a nice reduction in TDP, some increases in core clock and a decrease in memory clocks compared to Cayman.

[Iconyu]

Sure, but the developments in the console world dictate the worth (and longevity) of your hardware.

What's good in having a super duper HD 9990 dual card if there's no software (games) to use even 1/10th of its power (since everything is a console port these days)?

Or -in reverse- what's good in buying the latest card only to find shortly thereafter that all games require twice that power only because the latest consoles happen to have a card more powerful than yours (therefore everybody develops with *that* in mind)?

Like I said, it's sad, but the console world IS part of our lives (no matter how much most of us -here- wouldn't want to have anything to do with it).

It costs a lot of money to make games now, and the high end PC market isn't big enough to support $80,000,000 PC exclusives that push new cards to the edge. Crysis sold more because it was a graphical benchmark than a great game, people bought it to see if their upgrades made a difference.

When the new consoles come out they won't have twice the power of a PC, they'll just have an API that eats up less cycles, and they don't have high driver overhead, that makes them look like they have twice the power.

[Mech0z]

4th Dec sounds very optimistic for Pitcairn, I believe its somewhere in January. Should bring about a nice reduction in TDP, some increases in core clock and a decrease in memory clocks compared to Cayman.

Date sounds fair, if you look at the new Envy 15, its going to be launched about dec 9th I think and it has a hd 7xxx inside

[prava]

And yes 60min on a 120hz display doesn't feel so great I can tell you first hand. Once you are accustomed to 120hz gaming, 60fps on a 120hz display feels like 30fps on a 60hz display. Its kind of a double edged sword as it improves the experience but requires more to do so ( ie those 3gb sli 580 setups )

lol? This is just wrong on so many fronts. 60fps @ 120hz is ALWAYS better than 60fps @ 60hz, and If I have to explain why you may not know at all whats the fuss about 120hz gaming.

[ClockZ]

lol? This is just wrong on so many fronts. 60fps @ 120hz is ALWAYS better than 60fps @ 60hz, and If I have to explain why you may not know at all whats the fuss about 120hz gaming.

Hmm, I agree with Chickenfeed on this one......anything below around 80 on mine feels not so good, feels butter smooth at 100+. I understand why it shouldn't feel like that but it sure does and its always baffled me.

[iddqd]

2x7950 covers my needs for 2 years at least.

What if it's a flop?

[flopper]

What if it's a flop?

what is it with the hate lately in xtreme forums?

[iddqd]

I was merely remarking on the fact that you speak with such certainty. How can you be so sure that two 7950s will last you no less than two years? Are you from the future? There are countless variables, not the least of which is whether the new architecture will even be good or not - as you may well know, the thing with new architecture is: it is almost never quite works out the way anyone hoped on the first try

[LordEC911]

I was merely remarking on the fact that you speak with such certainty. How can you be so sure that two 7950s will last you no less than two years? Are you from the future? There are countless variables, not the least of which is whether the new architecture will even be good or not - as you may well know, the thing with new architecture is: it is almost never quite works out the way anyone hoped on the first try

Flop and Tahiti only go together when you are speaking of Giga/Teraflops...

[Lanek]

flop and tahiti only go together when you are speaking of giga/teraflops...

lol.

[prava]

Hmm, I agree with Chickenfeed on this one......anything below around 80 on mine feels not so good, feels butter smooth at 100+. I understand why it shouldn't feel like that but it sure does and its always baffled me.

This is totally not true. The higher the hz is, the better will be the experience at same framerates. Obviously you will be maxing your screen when you get 120fps at 8ms per frame, but thats not to say that at 80fps @ 120hz will be the same as 80fps @ 60hz, because its obviously not true no matter what you think.

So, you don't need more fps to enjoy 120hz, not at all. You will ALWAYS get a much better experience with 120hz no matter your framerate.

[Kurz]

This is totally not true. The higher the hz is, the better will be the experience at same framerates. Obviously you will be maxing your screen when you get 120fps at 8ms per frame, but thats not to say that at 80fps @ 120hz will be the same as 80fps @ 60hz, because its obviously not true no matter what you think.

So, you don't need more fps to enjoy 120hz, not at all. You will ALWAYS get a much better experience with 120hz no matter your framerate.

Honestly I rather have better image quality (IPS Panel) than more FPS.
As long as the total lag isn't crazy.

[N19h7m4r3]

I certainly hope the 7980 beats or matches the 6990 and uses as much power as my GTX 470

If so I'll have a worthy upgrade for my system. At the moment the GTX580 and ATI6980 just don't don't seem worth it
for me at 2560x1440 in a MITX system.

I have to agree on some of the points BHAVV makes though. Unless you "want" to run the latest games completely maxed out at AA, Ubersampling and Tesselation a mid range card like the GTX 560Ti is perfect at 1920x1080.

Honestly I rather have better image quality (IPS Panel) than more FPS.
As long as the total lag isn't crazy.

I also completely agree with this.

I love my LED IPS Monitor, and I'd stay with it and it;s 60hz limit then have a 120hz TN panel....
There's just no comparison in My opinion really where it comes to image quality.

[Manicdan]

Honestly I rather have better image quality (IPS Panel) than more FPS.
As long as the total lag isn't crazy.

i play WoW at a friends where i left a 120$ LED backlit TN monitor, and then i have a 27" IPS 10bit monitor at home that i paide 750$ for about 5 years ago. the difference is obvious after just a few seconds of playing. on the chepo monitor the colors are washed out, the whites are too pale, no black levels at all, and never look at it from the side, EVER, lol. monitors are one of the best investments for a PC since price/quality lasts a long time for the better products.

[prava]

Honestly I rather have better image quality (IPS Panel) than more FPS.
As long as the total lag isn't crazy.

I don't own 2 DELL IPS monitors for nothing So yeah, I'm on the same boat but I've actually had the chance to test one 120hz myself (my brother bought one).

[XSAlliN]

I don't own 2 DELL IPS monitors for nothing So yeah, I'm on the same boat but I've actually had the chance to test one 120hz myself (my brother bought one).

...and it sux, you still can't compare that (being a TN) even with e-IPS, which have very good response time and no lag whatsoever... LED is another joke, only RGB LED seems to make a difference but models based on that technology are very expensive.

[Iconyu]

Hmm, I agree with Chickenfeed on this one......anything below around 80 on mine feels not so good, feels butter smooth at 100+. I understand why it shouldn't feel like that but it sure does and its always baffled me.

If this is true, why do 120hz TV's feel better to watch when their input signal is still only 60hz?

[Hornet331]

If this is true, why do 120hz TV's feel better to watch when their input signal is still only 60hz?

Becaus it doesn't, it just the image post processing that happens in the TV, like the doubling of frames etc. but it often also has side effects like that images are to sharp etc.