AMD Bulldozer Thread

**AliG** · 10-28-2011, 03:44 PM

^This

AMD said for a long time that you trade off 20% performance to be able to able to add a second integer core at 35% the size

**duron** · 10-28-2011, 07:49 PM

we need Win8 for BD

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2622

**Leeghoofd** · 10-29-2011, 12:28 AM

Maybe even better Win 9, 1-5% is not sufficient, sadly enough... let's hope Globol foundries can produce better products soon so we can cranck these CPUs up to where they belong... Seems they made some errors in the charts, putting some worst scores in bold

**AliG** · 10-29-2011, 09:20 AM

Seconded, frankly i'm not impressed with those numbers at all. If anything those increases probably come from the windows 8 kernel itself being better, not better task scheduling. We already know from people physically disabling integer cores that ipc goes up by as much as 20% with proper scheduling

**Mats** · 10-29-2011, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

1-5% is not sufficient, sadly enough...

True, but how do we know that W8 RTM or even beta won't do the job even better than this pre-beta Windows Developer Preview?
After all, it's still pre-beta. .

**Mech0z** · 10-29-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by AliG

Seconded, frankly i'm not impressed with those numbers at all. If anything those increases probably come from the windows 8 kernel itself being better, not better task scheduling. We already know from people physically disabling integer cores that ipc goes up by as much as 20% with proper scheduling

You could just make a benchmark with both 2500k and the amd and see if they both get a 1-5% increase?

**Eson** · 10-29-2011, 10:38 AM

What about the Set Affinity feature in the Task Manager? Task Manager -> Processes -> right click a process -> Set Affinity -> Set cores to run process.

**RedBull78** · 10-29-2011, 10:51 AM

guys, guys cmon its over...no more how about this, or if this , if that....It's ALL OVER..BD flopped end of STORY

**AliG** · 10-29-2011, 11:06 AM

lol chill out bro. That's obvious, I'm just wondering about the potential performance gains from windows 8. I have a 2500k myself (very glad i caved over the summer and stopped waiting for BD)

**haylui** · 10-29-2011, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by RedBull78

guys, guys cmon its over...no more how about this, or if this , if that....It's ALL OVER..BD flopped end of STORY

people are now trying to figure out the reasons behind the flop of BD
not finding excuses.

**paulbagz** · 10-29-2011, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by haylui

people are now trying to figure out the reasons behind the flop of BD
not finding excuses.

May I point you in the direction of the AMD PR team?

-PB

**Stukov** · 10-29-2011, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by paulbagz

May I point you in the direction of the AMD PR team?

-PB

How exactly is AMD PR going to discover the issues with with BD? That is like having patients call Pharmaceutical companies for medical advice.

**RedBull78** · 10-29-2011, 06:22 PM

nah brah, its just that some are still under the spell of the BD. Somehow or somewhere is a secret patch that will unlock the real BD..get it?

**RedBull78** · 10-29-2011, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Stukov

How exactly is AMD PR going to discover the issues with with BD? That is like having patients call Pharmaceutical companies for medical advice.

Fair enough analogy. More reason why I dont respect doctors. They should all be required to try the actual med before prescribing you one, so in this case they'll know if its bitter or sweet....on this end we all know how the BD tastes. Most agree it wouldn't hurt the PR team if they really tested the BD to let us know how it tastes...and they did ..they said it tasted OMFG "They're Gr-r-reat " ......."til the PR is gone"

**paulbagz** · 10-29-2011, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stukov

How exactly is AMD PR going to discover the issues with with BD? That is like having patients call Pharmaceutical companies for medical advice.

Clearly missed who and what I quoted lol

-PB

**Stukov** · 10-29-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by paulbagz

Clearly missed who and what I quoted lol

-PB

Yes, I clearly did, hence the question. As your statement dumbfounded me and thus followed the question with the statement that projected that bewilderment.

**stangracin3** · 10-29-2011, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by RedBull78

Fair enough analogy. More reason why I dont respect doctors. They should all be required to try the actual med before prescribing you one, so in this case they'll know if its bitter or sweet....on this end we all know how the BD tastes. Most agree it wouldn't hurt the PR team if they really tested the BD to let us know how it tastes...and they did ..they said it tasted OMFG "They're Gr-r-reat " ......."til the PR is gone"

fail post. they would have said the same thing because they were told to say the same thing.

**paulbagz** · 10-29-2011, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stukov

Yes, I clearly did, hence the question. As your statement dumbfounded me and thus followed the question with the statement that projected that bewilderment.

-PB

**Dainas** · 10-29-2011, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by duron

we need Win8 for BD

I already cannot wait for windows 8 to come out just so people can acknowledge what a fetid, overrated turd Windows 7 ALWAYS WAS. Vista improved, more than can be said for 7 which is still with us horrid ergonomics and slow boot warts and all.

**PatRaceTin** · 10-30-2011, 04:53 AM

may be socket 2011 hit retail before FX AM3+ in Thailand !!!

**informal** · 10-30-2011, 06:36 AM

Actually,1 BD core is performing somewhere between Phenom I an Phenom II,with occasional dips below and above these. On average it's like Agena core. BUT,it has a much longer pipeline and God knows what else not working as good as it should inside the core. This is taken from PCgameshardware's website:

For gaming results with 480GTX click here. Not bad at all for 8150 @ stock. It is definitely better gaming chip than 1100T is,especially in minimum fps department.

**haylui** · 10-30-2011, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by paulbagz

May I point you in the direction of the AMD PR team?

-PB

I don't think PR team has the necessity to figure out the cause/reason.
It is just that some people are interested in seeing how new scheduler/coding could help in improving BD's performance without any hardware changes.

**AliG** · 10-30-2011, 01:50 PM

I personally am interested in what the hell they did with all those transistors? As I understand it, the whole point of CMT was to create a very flexible design that was lite on resources to allow for massive parallel expansion. Seems to me that they just created the opposite instead. As a biomed with a minor in EE, I just find the circuitry to be intriguing

**god_43** · 10-31-2011, 11:03 PM

...where are the interlagos benches and products already? i mean i know cray got the first batch but...shouldn't they have made more by now?

**EniGmA1987** · 11-01-2011, 08:43 AM

I think the "major players" will be getting all shipments of Interlagos for a while. yields are too low right now to support sending server chips out to retail places for people to buy, especially with basically the same thing available for consumers already

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