AMD Zambezi news, info, fans !

[dess]

Hey, guys, wasn't it posted just a bit earlier? Isn't showing 3DMark11's CPU-based Physics Score as "3D Gaming" measure is even more cherry-picking, blatantly manipulative and simply laughable...? (BTW, why they're even concerned about gaming performance, since as you say "no one" use SB-E for that?) And who the hell cares about "Slide Show Creation"? Perhaps other test results was just lower?

[BeepBeep2]

most of them are closeted intel fanboys that don;t want to admit it to themselves that they are in love with intel

Well I got called a pessimist today...

*buys 2600K*

[tbone8ty]

im buying a fx-8100 because of the neat tin case it comes in and because i love the color red!

[jeanjean15]

No news about opteron interlagos ???
The launch was normally scheduled for today !

[Evantaur]

Maybe it's not today yet in some places

[Jowy Atreides]

im buying a fx-8100 because of the neat tin case it comes in and because i love the color red!

That is 'woman logic'.

They pluck their eyebrows out then draw them back on!

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Buying things because of a pretty box or colour is woman logic, it's the kind of thing that leads to my car insurance being £8,000 less than my girlfriends or my computer not being a relic in a pink case.
Help fight against woman logic today!

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[PatRaceTin]

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[Olivon]

[-Boris-]

So if you wan't piledriver cores you have to wait until Q3 '12 (more like Q4?) or go with Trinity?

[muziqaz]

So if you wan't piledriver cores you have to wait until Q3 '12 (more like Q4?) or go with Trinity?

I never knew that people wanted specific cores in their systems :/
And by the way, if you want quantum flavoured CPU, you have to wait until 10 years from now

[-Boris-]

I never knew that people wanted specific cores in their systems :/
And by the way, if you want quantum flavoured CPU, you have to wait until 10 years from now

Well I just assumed that it's Piledriver that fixes Bulldozers flaws so it could be nice to have one.

[muziqaz]

haha, So now we decided that BD has flaws and they need fixing? So according to this logic Intels 2600k and 2500K have flaws as well.

[-Boris-]

haha, So now we decided that BD has flaws and they need fixing? So according to this logic Intels 2600k and 2500K have flaws as well.

I really can't see which logic you believe I was using. But according to my logic theres nothing wrong with Sandy Bridge, it's the best X86 architecture ever sold so far.

[muziqaz]

So if you assume those slides are correct, we can say that FX CPUs EVEN with their so called flaws are right next to that best x86 architecture.

[undone]

No news about opteron interlagos ???
The launch was normally scheduled for today !

Is interlagos launch in Q4? Well I could be wrong.


BTW, It's weird that we see slides about Zambezi before Interlagos cuz amd schedule Interlagos before Zambezi. Now no more interlagos news yet except some rumored sisoftware result and spec.

[-Boris-]

So if you assume those slides are correct, we can say that FX CPUs EVEN with their so called flaws are right next to that best x86 architecture.

No, not at all. I say that this architecture have a hard time competing even in hand picked tests made by AMD themselves against mid-end processors of an older architecture not pushed at all. You can clearly see that Intel isn't pushing SB, it's capable of much higher stock clocks than it's running on, Intel has hardly pushed the launch of versions with more cores either. The three year old Nehalem architecture (wich launch was hardly hurried) is still superior to this latest "monster" from AMD. And that's on an older manufacturing process! And in this business 3 years is alot.

It's three years between the release date of Coppermine 733Mhz and Pentium 4 3.06GHz with HT. Not being able to beat a 3 year old architecture is a failure. It doesn't seem to be any IPC improvements to talk of either, something AMD promised us, an eightcore being beaten by a quad isn't success either.

[muziqaz]

What's funny is that people expect same behaviour from Server vendors.
Interlagos is already shipping, and will be launched some time in q4. launch shouldn't be important to us whatsoever, as CPUs will be integrated into systems by server builders, and I am 100% sure that none of you guys here have a decision to buy large quantities of those systems for yourself or anyone else. Those who do have a decision to make, are already briefed or soon will be, and they will have systems to test and validate long before CPUs are launched.

[muziqaz]

No, not at all. I say that this architecture have a hard time competing even in hand picked tests made by AMD themselves against mid-end processors of an older architecture not pushed at all. You can clearly see that Intel isn't pushing SB, it's capable of much higher stock clocks than it's running on, Intel has hardly pushed the launch of versions with more cores either. The three year old Nehalem architecture (wich launch was hardly hurried) is still superior to this latest "monster" from AMD. And that's on an older manufacturing process! And in this business 3 years is alot.

It's three years between the release date of Coppermine 733Mhz and Pentium 4 3.06GHz with HT. Not being able to beat a 3 year old architecture is a failure. It doesn't seem to be any IPC improvements to talk of either, something AMD promised us, an eightcore being beaten by a quad isn't success either.

Are we looking at the same slides? take the one where there is several apps comparing fx with 2500/2600k. It slots right in the middle. I don't really see how is that a hard time to compete????
And do you buy a cpu for its IPC? What happens if that IPC is coupled with much higher clock?
But of course, maybe you are one of those strange people who will take FX cpu and clock it down to some other (competing or AMDs) cpus levels and make a whole article about how FX sucks.
I don't even know why I keep responding to such a trolling :/

[-Boris-]

Are we looking at the same slides? take the one where there is several apps comparing fx with 2500/2600k. It slots right in the middle. I don't really see how is that a hard time to compete????
And do you buy a cpu for its IPC? What happens if that IPC is coupled with much higher clock?
But of course, maybe you are one of those strange people who will take FX cpu and clock it down to some other (competing or AMDs) cpus levels and make a whole article about how FX sucks.
I don't even know why I keep responding to such a trolling :/

Hard time to compete is when it loses, and it does. And that's against mid-end CPUs in handpicked tests. How can you call that a success? As I said, it gets beaten by Nehalem which is three years old. It's simply a flawed architecture.
And IPC is important since frequencies of 5GHz or above simply isn't reasonable, and even in these frequencies it would lose to 980x if we shall believe these numbers. And IPC is also important if AMD promised higher IPC, if it won't deliver that then it's flawed in some way.

And no, just because I see problems doesn't mean I hate AMD, THAT is flawed logic! I will probably buy bulldozer, and that's because I like AMD and it will probably be quite good from a price/performance perspective. I mean it positioned against 2500K/2600K which are very good price/performance. But me liking AMD is no reason for me to lie to myself, if there is problems I won't look away and pretende they doesn't exists.

[Opteron146]

Hmm do you have a source link for that? The underlying slide seems very basic, and I didn't see it @DH previously.

[Manicdan]

haha, So now we decided that BD has flaws and they need fixing? So according to this logic Intels 2600k and 2500K have flaws as well.

if an improved version of what you want is right around the corner, you might just wait for it. theres no bad logic in that. even if BD is perfect, it sure will suck in 10 years from now compared to new stuff then. a flaw could be as simple as a bottleneck they didnt expect and thus fixed. and yes SB has flaws too because even that architecture isnt intels last one forever.

[PatRaceTin]

Vishera = AM4 ?

[undone]

Some important info by admin of semiaccurate
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...postcount=1825

A note to everyone who is arguing about whether or not the slides that have been floating the last 3 or 6 months are real or not. Do you not remember the last GPU launch?

Did we not warn you that there would be more fud floating the next time round? Did we not warn you that this is SOP for AMD at this point? No info out, only fud.

I'm kind of tired of reading the same arguments go roudn and round and am becoming very tempted to close this thread until closer to launch.

And yes, Drashek is right, we will know more by Thanksgiving because both sandy-e and bd SHOULD have launched by then. It's a fairly safe timeframe to guess at.

[tbone8ty]

crap delayed till thanksgiving now! lol jk

man i feel like a kid on xmas the wait is killin me

[tbone8ty]

Are we looking at the same slides? take the one where there is several apps comparing fx with 2500/2600k. It slots right in the middle. I don't really see how is that a hard time to compete????
And do you buy a cpu for its IPC? What happens if that IPC is coupled with much higher clock?
But of course, maybe you are one of those strange people who will take FX cpu and clock it down to some other (competing or AMDs) cpus levels and make a whole article about how FX sucks.
I don't even know why I keep responding to such a trolling :/

troller is trolling. relax buddy