NEW: aquaero 5 series

[dynamis_dk]

Theses are the tech specs posted on amazon for this fan (not sure how accurate they will be or if the 0.33a is based when running at 12v):

Application PC case or heatsink fan
Dimension 120 X 120 X 25mm
Fan speed 600 -1300 RPM
Max airflow 57.53 CFM (97.74 m3/h)
Max static air pressure 2.64 mm H2O
Noise level 6.9 -16.05 dB(A)
Current rating 0.33A
Voltage rating 12V DC
Bearing HDB (Hydro Dynamic)
Fan life expectancy 50,000 hours
Connector 4pin PWM

Acutech - Thanks for the link, cable wise i'm ok as i'll just custom wire my own if needed to fit in with everything else i've got braided up.

Do we think theres any need to watercool the Aquaero 5 for my setup?? I've cooling power spare so its an option if required but would be easlier if I won't be stressing the controller too much to keep it on air.

Also while I think on it, how is the software temp reading on MSI gear (specifically a P67A-GD65).. I'd prefer to use the software values taken from hardware rather than wiring up the temp probes from the controller - from reading this thread If I understand right this will be possible.

[franknitty69]

Theses are the tech specs posted on amazon for this fan (not sure how accurate they will be or if the 0.33a is based when running at 12v):

Application PC case or heatsink fan
Dimension 120 X 120 X 25mm
Fan speed 600 -1300 RPM
Max airflow 57.53 CFM (97.74 m3/h)
Max static air pressure 2.64 mm H2O
Noise level 6.9 -16.05 dB(A)
Current rating 0.33A
Voltage rating 12V DC
Bearing HDB (Hydro Dynamic)
Fan life expectancy 50,000 hours
Connector 4pin PWM

Acutech - Thanks for the link, cable wise i'm ok as i'll just custom wire my own if needed to fit in with everything else i've got braided up.

Do we think theres any need to watercool the Aquaero 5 for my setup?? I've cooling power spare so its an option if required but would be easlier if I won't be stressing the controller too much to keep it on air.

Also while I think on it, how is the software temp reading on MSI gear (specifically a P67A-GD65).. I'd prefer to use the software values taken from hardware rather than wiring up the temp probes from the controller - from reading this thread If I understand right this will be possible.

ok six akasa apache's come up to 23.76 watts/1.98 amps. under the total max for an aquaero. you can only put 3 (maybe 4) fans on a channel. this setup is only at 23.76 watts total which is low, so i wouldn't think you would need the waterblock. although i would highly recommend the heatsink though. it seems like the consensus is that total power of 45 watts and above should use a waterblock.

also, right now the software can only use the temp sensors connected to it. it cannot utilize the motherboard's built in temp sensors. these sensors will be available to use sometime in the future.

[SoMBrA]

Hello everyone!
I just ordered an Aquaero 5 XT, and I know it comes with 4 temperature sensors already.
The problem is that I can't find any Aquacomptuer sensors in stock, and I need to buy 3 more, my question is if it is possible to use any other non-aquacomputer sensor, and if so, which ones are compatible/recommended? (I was thinking phobya maybe?)

Thanks :-)

[franknitty69]

Hello everyone!
I just ordered an Aquaero 5 XT, and I know it comes with 4 temperature sensors already.
The problem is that I can't find any Aquacomptuer sensors in stock, and I need to buy 3 more, my question is if it is possible to use any other non-aquacomputer sensor, and if so, which ones are compatible/recommended? (I was thinking phobya maybe?)

Thanks :-)

any 2-pin temp sensor for computers will work.

[Church]

franknitty69: are you sure about any bit? imho it also should be of 10K ohm resistivity.

[franknitty69]

franknitty69: are you sure about any bit? imho it also should be of 10K ohm resistivity.

i'm using temp sensors from 10k to 50k and they all register perfectly fine on the motherboard (asus maximus iv extreme-z) and in Aquaero. i even tried a temp sensor for my car alarm (compustar) and it worked.

[Tolem]

Please bear with me for some newbie questions. I plan on ordering the XT and am wondering what else I need.

My case has 15 Gentle Typhoon AP-15's and an old school ehiem pump that I plug directly into the wall. I plan on getting two pumps designed for watercooling later so I can plug them into the XT, along with a flow meter. For now with the 15 AP-15's I was planning on getting two of the power adjust 2's, I assume that should be enough? And then I would just monitor the Aquaero using the software as I add more fans / the pumps later to see how its doing and add more power adjust2's as necessary (is that the standard practice?).

How do you plug multiple fan's into the stock XT's fan controller 1-4 ports? Likewise, how do you connect multiple poweradjust 2's to the 2 aquabus connectors? How does the aquabus high / low differ?

Is there a detailed description of what each port on the PCB does? Some are kind of obvious, but say 12V PWM, is this for the pumps? Tacho?

Also, I run all of my cooling, lighting, fans, (and pumps in the future) on a seperate power supply (tied into the first with a cable so they turn on / off at the same time). Does this pose a problem for the XT or should it operate the same as if it was powered by the PSU the motherboard is on.

Sorry for all the questions, just kind of overwhelemed with it all and the lack of a detailed manual (the pdf I found was more like an advertisement of features?)

[franknitty69]

Please bear with me for some newbie questions. I plan on ordering the XT and am wondering what else I need.

My case has 15 Gentle Typhoon AP-15's and an old school ehiem pump that I plug directly into the wall. I plan on getting two pumps designed for watercooling later so I can plug them into the XT, along with a flow meter. For now with the 15 AP-15's I was planning on getting two of the power adjust 2's, I assume that should be enough? And then I would just monitor the Aquaero using the software as I add more fans / the pumps later to see how its doing and add more power adjust2's as necessary (is that the standard practice?).

How do you plug multiple fan's into the stock XT's fan controller 1-4 ports? Likewise, how do you connect multiple poweradjust 2's to the 2 aquabus connectors? How does the aquabus high / low differ?

Is there a detailed description of what each port on the PCB does? Some are kind of obvious, but say 12V PWM, is this for the pumps? Tacho?

Also, I run all of my cooling, lighting, fans, (and pumps in the future) on a seperate power supply (tied into the first with a cable so they turn on / off at the same time). Does this pose a problem for the XT or should it operate the same as if it was powered by the PSU the motherboard is on.

My case has 15 Gentle Typhoon AP-15's and an old school ehiem pump that I plug directly into the wall. I plan on getting two pumps designed for watercooling later so I can plug them into the XT, along with a flow meter. For now with the 15 AP-15's I was planning on getting two of the power adjust 2's, I assume that should be enough? And then I would just monitor the Aquaero using the software as I add more fans / the pumps later to see how its doing and add more power adjust2's as necessary (is that the standard practice?).

it is definitely overwhelming. i had mad questions about the aquaero just like you. and the only reason i know so much about it has been asking questions, researching, talking to users via skype, etc. The language barrier isn't helping either.

The XT is enough for the AP-15's. 15 AP-15's use about 0.414w and 0.0345a at full load. Slowing them increases power draw. The XT has a max load of 19.8w per channel and a total of 60w. You could run all the fans on the XT but it is highly recommended to use the waterblock. You could also add more fans and maybe a pump, just as long as you don't exceed the channel limits. Another thing to keep in mind is the grouping of the fans. The XT has 4 ports so you will only see 4 fans even though 15 are connected. This means all the fans on port 1 will be going the same speed. Depending on how the fans are physical located in your rig, this may not be desired. So you have to find the balance of how you want your fans grouped and not exceeding the channel limits. If you do exceed the channel limits you will need a PowerAdjust2. Keep in mind the PowerAdjust is only 25w and 2.08a so you could run 1 pump or about 8 AP-15's.

And yes adding poweradjust2's as necessary is the standard practice. You can connect up to 6 six PA's to an XT, Pro or LT. In the future you will be able to connect an LT to a XT or Pro. This would be a better option than purchasing multiple PA's.

How do you plug multiple fan's into the stock XT's fan controller 1-4 ports? Likewise, how do you connect multiple poweradjust 2's to the 2 aquabus connectors? How does the aquabus high / low differ?
You use a Y Fan adapter http://www.jab-tech.com/3-Pin-Y-Cabl...S-pr-4555.html
You connect multiple PA's together via the Aquabus. PA3 Aquabus goes to PA2 Aquabus, PA2 Aquabus goes to PA1 Aquabus and PA1 Aquabus goes to the XT Aquabus Hi. Aquabus HI is for newer Aquacomputer devices. Low is for older Aquacomputer devices.

Is there a detailed description of what each port on the PCB does? Some are kind of obvious, but say 12V PWM, is this for the pumps? Tacho?
The aquaero comes with a manual in english and german. It states what each port is, but isn't very detailed. Also there isn't a PDF available. PWM is not for the pumps. PWM is a PWM output. Only devices that accept a PWM input can use these ports. I haven't seen anyone use these, but apparently these can be used for LED's (won't work on cold cathod). Tacho is an output. You can use this port to connect to a device that can read RPM singles. For example you can connect this port to your motherboard fan connector and the motherboard will be able to read the RPM from Aquaero. In aquaero you will determine what this RPM is actually connected to. In my opinion, this port is useless and i can't really see a use for it. The whole point of Aqauero is Aquaero is the controller.

Also, I run all of my cooling, lighting, fans, (and pumps in the future) on a seperate power supply (tied into the first with a cable so they turn on / off at the same time). Does this pose a problem for the XT or should it operate the same as if it was powered by the PSU the motherboard is on.
Not a problem for Aquaero. Aquaero gets it power from PSU and USB. so whether your pumps are separate from your fans doesn't matter.

p.s. there isn't an english manual. even the one in german doesn't have alot of detail.

[Tolem]

Thank you for the excellent reply!

I wonder, is it possible to add more than one RGB LED to the 4 pin RGB LED out, or is it only designed to power one RGB LED?

[Eeeaugheeeaugh!]

Normally, I keep quiet so as not to upset anyone, but I must say something here. I purchased the Aquaero LT version becasue I didn't want to be fiddling with / staring at the LCD / front panel. My understanding is that it had software functionality and would tuck nicely away on my case. All I wanted was a simple fan curve based on a given temperature (Water temp). Well...my bad for not reading the fine print...there IS no curve available for my version. Basically, I have a slider to manually adjust fan speed...and even that fails if you are using a Razer keyboard.

Secondly...the VRMs heat up like crazy at lower fan speeds...so much I decided to purchase the passive heatsink for additional cost. Guess what? It did no good whatsoever. In fact...I cannot lower my fans (which are paired Aerocool Shark 140mm's) to below 60% or the VRMs will overheat, and the fan speed begins throttling wildly.

Shoggy provided great tech support, revealing the incompatibility with my Razer mouse, but I am ultimately / incredibly disappointed with this product. For me, it sucks. The M-Cubed T-Balancer is likely what will replace this thing...which also sucks...but a little less.

If you do not have a Razer, plan on purchasing the VRM waterblock, and do NOT buy the crappy version...maybe you'll have better luck than I did.

Josh

[Brodholm]

Normally, I keep quiet so as not to upset anyone, but I must say something here. I purchased the Aquaero LT version becasue I didn't want to be fiddling with / staring at the LCD / front panel. My understanding is that it had software functionality and would tuck nicely away on my case. All I wanted was a simple fan curve based on a given temperature (Water temp). Well...my bad for not reading the fine print...there IS no curve available for my version. Basically, I have a slider to manually adjust fan speed...and even that fails if you are using a Razer keyboard.

Secondly...the VRMs heat up like crazy at lower fan speeds...so much I decided to purchase the passive heatsink for additional cost. Guess what? It did no good whatsoever. In fact...I cannot lower my fans (which are paired Aerocool Shark 140mm's) to below 60% or the VRMs will overheat, and the fan speed begins throttling wildly.

Shoggy provided great tech support, revealing the incompatibility with my Razer mouse, but I am ultimately / incredibly disappointed with this product. For me, it sucks. The M-Cubed T-Balancer is likely what will replace this thing...which also sucks...but a little less.

If you do not have a Razer, plan on purchasing the VRM waterblock, and do NOT buy the crappy version...maybe you'll have better luck than I did.

Josh

What? Doesn't the aquaero work if you have razer hardware? Or was that just the "cheap" version?

[Church]

Hmm, it smells like something from AA4 times since usb on asus motherboards and IIRC with logitech gaming keyboard (G15? G17?). I'm a bit disappointed to hear that AA5 LT is in some way cut down in more ways then just minus remote / LCD. I somehow expected that LT should be on par with XT/PRO on regulation features once heatsink or waterblock is added :/. Not much issue for personally me, as i plan to buy most probably XT version, but for those that wish to go more on budget side that might be. As for overheating i'm guessing that it might be some TIM issue with bad thermal contact. Have you properly used TIM or thermal pads when mounted it on AA5?

[Eeeaugheeeaugh!]

Hmm, it smells like something from AA4 times since usb on asus motherboards and IIRC with logitech gaming keyboard (G15? G17?). I'm a bit disappointed to hear that AA5 LT is in some way cut down in more ways then just minus remote / LCD. I somehow expected that LT should be on par with XT/PRO on regulation features once heatsink or waterblock is added :/. Not much issue for personally me, as i plan to buy most probably XT version, but for those that wish to go more on budget side that might be. As for overheating i'm guessing that it might be some TIM issue with bad thermal contact. Have you properly used TIM or thermal pads when mounted it on AA5?

Read Here: http://forum.aquacomputer.de/weitere...-6-bricked-it/

[Church]

Eeeaugh: Hmm, so by reading that it seems that it's not exactly that keyboard is culprit, but indirectly rised by it usb polling rate. Hmm, can you seek which usb ports on your motherboard are provided by another usb controller then one you have connected your gaming keyboard to and try using AA5 from it?

Shoggy: imho AA5 -> for LC -> at least 4/5ths of customers are gamers, and with hi-end gaming hardware, as they had went to LC. Probably lot of them using gaming keyboards and gaming mouses, from which very many if not most of them use high port polling rates. Heck, i even remember in reading in few reviews of mouses where reviewers complained about not high enough rate, not fit for gaming. So that might be very common issue/configuration, and imho such configuration to work with should be added to AA5's firmware. Yes, i understand that you have made both hardware and software according to specs (eg. usb prototcol ones), but in real world there may rise interworking issues among different devices by different vendors that have to be worked around by each vendor (and probably most other usb product vendors do), even more so if configuration is common to targeted buyer market niche.
As temporary fix you might test if my hunch about moving elsewhere where AA5 is connected to can work, and if it does fix, publish note in both AC/here and other forums (+on website), for users to fix temporary issue, and meanwhile develop/extend firmware functionality to be able to work with non standard polling rates. I'm guessing about possibility of fix from different usb ports from reading old AA4 threads, were it sometimes helped on few asus boards, where it was if few usb ports were provided by chipset and few others by 3rd party (IIRC NEC) extra controller.

Eeeaugh: and regarding that forum you posted your link to .. please, cut some slack for AC guys, and give them a bit more chance to fix things. I understand your frustration, but placing it onto them WON'T make things fixed faster, they themselves wish to make or fix good product, and loud swearing/whining/accusations won't help anything but your relieving stress. They too are humans, please be polite to them. Communicating in professional & calm way is not that hard and definitely is well liked by anyone on other side.

[Phatboy69]

Normally, I keep quiet so as not to upset anyone, but I must say something here. I purchased the Aquaero LT version becasue I didn't want to be fiddling with / staring at the LCD / front panel. My understanding is that it had software functionality and would tuck nicely away on my case. All I wanted was a simple fan curve based on a given temperature (Water temp). Well...my bad for not reading the fine print...there IS no curve available for my version. Basically, I have a slider to manually adjust fan speed...and even that fails if you are using a Razer keyboard.

Secondly...the VRMs heat up like crazy at lower fan speeds...so much I decided to purchase the passive heatsink for additional cost. Guess what? It did no good whatsoever. In fact...I cannot lower my fans (which are paired Aerocool Shark 140mm's) to below 60% or the VRMs will overheat, and the fan speed begins throttling wildly.

Shoggy provided great tech support, revealing the incompatibility with my Razer mouse, but I am ultimately / incredibly disappointed with this product. For me, it sucks. The M-Cubed T-Balancer is likely what will replace this thing...which also sucks...but a little less.

If you do not have a Razer, plan on purchasing the VRM waterblock, and do NOT buy the crappy version...maybe you'll have better luck than I did.

Josh

Hi Josh I can understand your frustration but you are not understanding the limits of the hardware.
Did you ask around before making your purchase? I think you have just under estimated what you are asking it to do.

1. You are using high current .36A fans which the Aquaero 5 can only run with a waterblock, and even then only 3 per channel.
2. The curve feature you want was released in BETA 7 of Aquasuite 2012. With older versions you needed the display version to have access to curves, which the LT obviously doesnt have, but it will have curves in the latest beta 7 release to the windows software. (this is stated in their Aquasuite 2012 software release notes)

To address 1. above you could try replacing fans with lower current fans with similar performance or put the A5 LT in the line of some airflow somewhere in your case to aid in cooling the VRMs. I have RAM fans cooling my PA2 VRM and they support 2A of current which they cant do without some active air cooling.

If you can be a bit more patient, the fix for your last issue with the high speed polling issues with certain devices might be fixed in a later firmware/software patch. It might even be fixed in the current recent beta 7 and firmware 1015 updates (razor etc - or try what Churchy suggested or change your mouse)

Release notes for the new beta that just came out yesterday.

NOTE: After updating the firmware will reset all settings in the device.
If you MUST have an aquaero XT calibrate the sensor keys with help of the remote control again.

aquasuite 2012 - Beta 7
* Curve controls implemented
* LED controller (RGB) implemented
* Other outputs available (LEDs, relays, power outputs)
* Configuration of the power outputs
* Configuration of the relay
* Configuration of the LED outputs
* Current device profile can be imported and exported to a file /
* Memory function when you are clicking on the floppy icon in the Navigationgsleiste all settings in the device permanently secured.
* Various bug fixes may lead to a crash or freeze the aquasuite.

Firmware 1015 Firmware Changes
* Keys are now expanded in the calibration range (0-64), 0 = disable button
* PID controller extended (D component with time setting)
* Adjustments for aquasuite and software sensors
* LED control somewhat revised
* Names are retained in a change of language
* Changed default settings (LED output is now configured to Sensor 1)
* Several bugs fixed menu

[pociej]

Shoggy:
If I translate this beta will I keep this translation for the future versions?

[char101]

I am actually having an issue where I cannot find/set curve controls, I purchased the LT version as well. I was able to install the latest 2012 beta8 version, and updated the firmware to 1016, however I do not see any options for curve controls in the software. Maybe it was removed??


Release notes for the new beta that just came out yesterday.

NOTE: After updating the firmware will reset all settings in the device.
If you MUST have an aquaero XT calibrate the sensor keys with help of the remote control again.

aquasuite 2012 - Beta 7
* Curve controls implemented
* LED controller (RGB) implemented
* Other outputs available (LEDs, relays, power outputs)
* Configuration of the power outputs
* Configuration of the relay
* Configuration of the LED outputs
* Current device profile can be imported and exported to a file /
* Memory function when you are clicking on the floppy icon in the Navigationgsleiste all settings in the device permanently secured.
* Various bug fixes may lead to a crash or freeze the aquasuite.

Firmware 1015 Firmware Changes
* Keys are now expanded in the calibration range (0-64), 0 = disable button
* PID controller extended (D component with time setting)
* Adjustments for aquasuite and software sensors
* LED control somewhat revised
* Names are retained in a change of language
* Changed default settings (LED output is now configured to Sensor 1)
* Several bugs fixed menu[/QUOTE]

[char101]

I wish there were more docs for this thing, I finally figured out where I was able to setup curve controls......

[SpuTnicK]

aquasuite 2012 - Beta 8 is out

[zoomee]

aquasuite 2012 - Beta 8 is out

Yeah but just be careful if your using a Razer mouse!:
http://forum.aquacomputer.de/weitere...e/#post1362870

[frank anderson]

I've read that this device can conflict with Logitech G19 and G500 software, anyone still having this issue?

Also since I ordered the XT version, I can technically just use the interface to configure, avoiding having to use the aqua suite software altogether?

[franknitty69]

I've read that this device can conflict with Logitech G19 and G500 software, anyone still having this issue?

Also since I ordered the XT version, I can technically just use the interface to configure, avoiding having to use the aqua suite software altogether?

I can't speak on the razor/g series issue, but I did see some other people having issues. Something to do with USB speed and drivers.

Anyways about the XT...you can control all aspects with the remote. It is easier with the software though.

[SpuTnicK]

aquasuite 2012 Beta 9 and FW 1018 is out

Aquasuite 2012 Beta 9 changes
NEW: Integration of the mark 4 aqueducts
NEW: Integration of aquatic stream xt in aquaero 5 (aquabus)
NEW: multi-switch outputs (if provided), the controllers can be assigned (used as internal outputs!)
NEW: now has an adjustable curve control startup parameters> possible hysteresis, many new uses
NEW: device time is synchronized automatically every time the aquasuite
NEW: Optical feedback when you click on the Save button
NEW: New default pages for the aquaero 5 and for the aquaduct mark 4

BUG: When the fan channel is configured as a flow sensor that was the fourth Fan channel can not be assigned
BUG: Charts in the overview pages do not jump anymore when long time the same data is displayed
BUG: If the aquasuite was closed minimized, the window was no longer recoverable
BUG: Summary page will be loaded automatically when the tab is closed when the program starts
BUG: Navigation & Controllers page: scrolling the mouse wheel now works with
BUG: Fixed the incorrect advertisement layout
BUG: Fixed sporadic hang when flashing the firmware update now takes twice as long as in the old aquasuite versions.

Firmware 1018 Firmware Changes
NEW: Temperature sensors now provide stable sensor values ​​without jumps in the 1 / 100 ° C range
NEW: now has a definable curve control starting point, so that one can swing in the starting range of the output to prevent further use of new opportunities arising

BUG: Fixed a bug in the FW Logdatenauswahl 1017
BUG: Fixed incorrect evaluation of the pump alarms
BUG: Setting data sources in the alarm settings was incorrect

[Eeeaugheeeaugh!]

aquasuite 2012 Beta 9 and FW 1018 is out

Just updated my LT with this while using a Mionix mouse set at 1500 polling rate. I was thinking I'd have to dig everything apart in order to jumper wires and turn on / off...but...BAM! Worked like a champ this time, and it now features a nice curve controller. Pretty happy! The only thing left to resolve is the overhearing VRMs under the passive HS I screwed on...I will try active cooling with a small fan, and if that doesn't work I guess I'll have to go the waterblock route.

If this thing worked this well out of the box, I'd never have complained once.

Anyhow...good job Shoggy & thanks!

Josh

[Church]

Can others having issues with high polling rate of USB by usage of gaming mouses report if this version fixes things for them?