Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1866MHz C9 Review

[chinook]

If you want hynix, bend over.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231462

Don't mean to derail the thread by any means, and sorry for the OT, but will these play nice with Thuban ?

On topic - that heatspreader on the Vengeance line is indeed pretty flimsy.. i almost thought i'd cracked a few fins when i pushed a module a little harder in the slot. Turned out it was nothing but the sound got me worried for a second..

Oh, i almost forgot to mention: the kit that i bought (1600C8) was twice the price those kits are today.

[chew*]

Don't mean to derail the thread by any means, and sorry for the OT, but will these play nice with Thuban ?

I might be able to answer that soon.

[BeepBeep2]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226203
Anyone know what chips are on those?
...1866 8-9-8 would be nice from them, or even better 2000/2133+ 9-10-9...

[chew*]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226203
Anyone know what chips are on those?
...1866 8-9-8 would be nice from them, or even better 2000+ 8-9-8/9-10-9...

Could be these but weaker bin accounting for higher vdimm spec.

2000 I would say unrealistic at the timings your suggesting.

I have them paired with a 2133 9-11-9 kit and they could not match the 2133 timings so dropped it all down to 1600 7-8-7 1T with all 16g.

[BeepBeep2]

I'm guessing they dont perform well?

I was also looking at the Ripjaws X 2133 C9-10-9 kit...I cant imagine those being Nanya/Micron...

[chew*]

I'm guessing they dont perform well?

I was also looking at the Ripjaws X 2133 C9-10-9 kit...I cant imagine those being Nanya/Micron...

Define well, I'm really not sure what most people expect from 4 gig modules, especially if running 16 gig, if you can even just hit 1T( note stable ) like myself it's a miracle, especially mismatched.

Not aware of a 4gig module by gskill with 9-10-9 timings @ 2133........

The voltage is a give away for nanya, which is why i suggest that the 11-11-11 2133 kit is nanya and most likely what people with 1866 sets with nanya should expect.

[BeepBeep2]

Not aware of a 4gig module by gskill with 9-10-9 timings @ 2133........

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231435
No need for me to run 16 gig, I won't need it for a long time.

Been eyeing that and the 2x2 2200 C7 kit, it's either or.

[chew*]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231435
No need for me to run 16 gig, I won't need it for a long time.

Been eyeing that and the 2x2 2200 C7 kit, it's either or.

your link clearly says 9-11-9

IIRC they did close to 2000 on AMD, just like the 8-9-8 gskill kit, didn't hit spec and higher than 2000 took effort.

Not sure about Llano but i can't imagine why anyone would want 8 gig on Llano.

8 gig or more leans towards the fact that your doing heavy work which means Llano is not your best choice.

[BeepBeep2]

your link clearly says 9-11-9

IIRC they did close to 2000 on AMD, just like the 8-9-8 gskill kit, didn't hit spec and higher than 2000 took effort.

Not sure about Llano but i can't imagine why anyone would want 8 gig on Llano.

8 gig or more leans towards the fact that your doing heavy work which means Llano is not your best choice.

my brain clearly isn't working today, I apologize for that

Not planning on getting Llano anymore, I dont have any money for hardware anymore. I'd still be on my 965 if people were not generous. I'm gonna stick with Thuban until Christmas time, then I'll see if I go with SB or BD. I'd prefer going with BD but until I see how it turns out...

[rintamarotta]

Hynix BZR's here in TeamGroup kit, 9-11-9-27 timings as stock and they work fine in thuban at 2000 9-11-9-27-T1.
How ever anything over 2020 at stock timings = instant crash.

It really takes alot of effort to get it over 2020 with 9-11-9-27-T1 timings.

I got Hynix's in 2x4G RipjawsX 2133 kit, that also wont go over 2020 with 9-11-9-27-T1.

I will test with T2 later, if they would work better.

[chew*]

Hynix BZR's here in TeamGroup kit, 9-11-9-27 timings as stock and they work fine in thuban at 2000 9-11-9-27-T1.
How ever anything over 2020 at stock timings = instant crash.

It really takes alot of effort to get it over 2020 with 9-11-9-27-T1 timings.

I got Hynix's in 2x4G RipjawsX 2133 kit, that also wont go over 2020 with 9-11-9-27-T1.

I will test with T2 later, if they would work better.

With sandy command rate matters alot. With AMD command rate doesn't really net any differences clocks wise, trfc is where it is at for clock scaling.

[Vega]

Hi,

I have nearly the same kit: http://www.alina.se/Produkt.aspx?r=p...8GX3M2A1866C9B

I cant run them in stock speed: 9-9-9-24, 1866MHz, 1.5V. Can any one give me some advice to get them stable at stock atleast?
ATM i run them in 1600MHz, 8-8-8-24, 1.5V stable. In 1866MHz they fail after i few sec in Prime.

Is it crap or have i missed anything?

[M.Beier]

Ket, can you please post pictures of the actual product, and maybe setup?

I've tested Corsair Vengeance when i first started playing with SB and i was impressed with the sticks taking into consideration they are very inexpensive in Australia and what they could do above their stock timings and frequencies even in 16GB configuration with mixed RAM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...sults-amp-info

I have absolutely no problem recommending this ram to anyone for their PC builds. It's definitely not benching RAM at all but surely that's to be expected.

Maybe try an Asus or Gigabyte board and test the sticks again

I have said it before, and I'll say it again; Vengeance is not ver. x.x, they got MORE than 1 version of these, meaning different IC.... One IC is quite good, or atleast decent at OC; Hence; the one you got.... The other one is TERRIBLE at overclocking.... I got the "terrible" one.... But know what?? I have found a perfect use for them...
They knock the sock off anything as for LOW VOLTAGE, meaning low powerconsumption, I've made a server, inspired by Buckeye here at XS - and I must say; I am bloody pleased about these ram, they are VALUE, and treating them as so, one wont get dissappointed..

The promotion/marketing is STUPID, I have said this politely and calm on mail several times, I have informed that IF wanting to brag about these being OC kits, then leave the other IC out of it, as they RUIN the reputation... But I was indeed shouting invain....

[spajdr]

Oww dear i just bought these two days ago, i didnt tried yet to oc them, i will post some results soon :-)

[Formula350]

These are what I'd like to get, but I suspect the shipping price would push it far over the $140USD it's at.
http://www.ba-computer.at/product_in...cts_id=1217793

Unfortunately though, the same modules as C6 and C7 aren't in stock there, and it's hard enough shopping around on google in a different language :\

I went about trying to get all I could out of these Kingmax Nano modules I've got. This was the best I've been able to get (haven't tried pushing the CPU-NB since I was working on memory)
Multi-Mem
http://www.maxxpi.net/results/show.php?ID=x5k3u5y4w0f7
Memory (read/write are only 5-10mb/s different from AIDA64)
http://www.maxxpi.net/results/show.php?ID=j9m7h1h9m4m1

I've hit a clock wall on these though, either because of my CPU, the motherboard or timings. 90 or 110ns tRFC doesn't help (above were @90ns), but I'll try higher as I've never tried.

EDIT: By comparison, 50MHz higher on the CPU and CPU-NB (due to only using multipliers), but lower timings and memory clocks net almost the same bandwidth.
http://www.maxxpi.net/results/show.php?ID=b4x3f3i0v3c2

[spajdr]

Allright, i have same terrible results as Ket, im gonna exchange them if possible.

[Formula350]

Allright, i have same terrible results as Ket, im gonna exchange them if possible.

Bummer :\ Hope wherever you got them from let you!


So I don't know about timings with Intel, how much they impact performance vs increased memory speed, but I edited my post above with AMD using the same kit @ 1600 7-8-7-22 vs @ 1833 9-9-9. The difference of running the higher mem speed is not justified at those timings (the 1833 was with tRFC@90ns vs 1600 @110ns, which impacts enough for ~130MB/s for me), which are backed up by the rest of my tests I ran which the 1600 7-8-7 squeezed ahead. With DDR4 not slated for arrival till 2014, we have a long road ahead of us with DDR3... I only hope that IC makers get back to producing the high speed-low timing chips they used to! Don't know if it's because Intel can perform fine w/o low timings and IC makers just cater to them due to their command of the processor market, or if sort of a payback for the price fixing debacle that dropped prices down to bargain bin prices, but it sucks for AMD people! Kits like Patriot's for AMD are sad, being timing how they are for a max of 1600MHz. I'll just cross my fingers for a miracle IC to be made I guess lol

[M.Beier]

By the way; Pretty awesome for stability... Running 1.3v (1.28v) as I recall it, uptime 16 days (since I rebooted.... Windows update), I aint complaining...
Without proper cooling, still need to get a case, and very low airflow, I dont want any theif to be able to hear where the CCTV server is actually located with ease, would ruin the purpose?

At the pricepoint they are awesome, and I am yet to hear of first consumer that has received a pair with error... Frankly I cursed quite a bit that they didnt overclock, as I felt I had to deliver some unique overclock with budget ram, and wasnt able to - but, for other purpose than overclocking, they are sweet!

Hide'n'cover, before beards will kick my @ss, but, I actually think these beat Dom GTX3 for daily users... These are not ultra sensitive as for settings, and rock stable, same cannot be said about GTX3... Benching is QUITE A DIFFERENT MATTER, lol.

[Lightman]

I quickly tested my V5.11 kit on Phenom X6 and got up to DDR 1800 CL898 24 1T @1.55V.
Going higher with volts would probably gain few more hertz but I didn't try as this was sweet spot for my CPU/NB/HTT clock.
1740MHz at the same timings was stable with 1.5V

For that price I wont complain, but OC is not something this memory was made for.

[Formula350]

I quickly tested my V5.11 kit on Phenom X6 and got up to DDR 1800 CL898 24 1T @1.55V.
Going higher with volts would probably gain few more hertz but I didn't try as this was sweet spot for my CPU/NB/HTT clock.
1740MHz at the same timings was stable with 1.5V

I won't pretend to be a PhII/memory guru as I stuck with a S939 till early last year, but I've been doing an insane amount of reading lately as of having horrible luck with both. AMD systems apparently need more voltage than what the kits say (since they are mostly centered around Intel stability) so you're fairly low with 1.55V. Also you shouldn't have too much trouble making those speeds at a higher HTT clock, but I know what you mean for sure heh After a few hours of work today on trying to get 1900MHz to work (futzing with voltage, timings and Drive strengths) I find that 7-8-7 @ 1700MHz to be this system's happy place. That leaves my CPU@3825, NB@2805. I was going to see what NB@3125MHz resulted in, but forgot :\ Frankly, I don't even know if she'll get into windows at that NB, but I know it was what it took to even get 1900 to POST, the few times I manage to. This 1090T is still relatively new to me, having also came from a 555 heh I do know these modules I've got a bit defective as the site owner of where I edit wasn't able to get them working at their 2200MHz rated speed, so I don't even know what their max is, with 1833 being the most I've been able to get out of them. I also don't know good these ICs are that Kingmax got (rebranded PSC apparently).

Anywho I'm glad a few people are showing similar results on these Vengeance kits as I was debating it!

[Vega]

My Vengeance kit wont do 9-9-9- 1866MHz up to 1.6V Vdimm. It dont like tRCD under 10 at 1866MHz. In the other hand it handle 7-8-7- 1600MHz so that is pretty good I guess?
Any way. I plan to swap it ...

[Lightman]

I won't pretend to be a PhII/memory guru as I stuck with a S939 till early last year, but I've been doing an insane amount of reading lately as of having horrible luck with both. AMD systems apparently need more voltage than what the kits say (since they are mostly centered around Intel stability) so you're fairly low with 1.55V. Also you shouldn't have too much trouble making those speeds at a higher HTT clock, but I know what you mean for sure heh After a few hours of work today on trying to get 1900MHz to work (futzing with voltage, timings and Drive strengths) I find that 7-8-7 @ 1700MHz to be this system's happy place. That leaves my CPU@3825, NB@2805. I was going to see what NB@3125MHz resulted in, but forgot :\ Frankly, I don't even know if she'll get into windows at that NB, but I know it was what it took to even get 1900 to POST, the few times I manage to. This 1090T is still relatively new to me, having also came from a 555 heh I do know these modules I've got a bit defective as the site owner of where I edit wasn't able to get them working at their 2200MHz rated speed, so I don't even know what their max is, with 1833 being the most I've been able to get out of them. I also don't know good these ICs are that Kingmax got (rebranded PSC apparently).

Anywho I'm glad a few people are showing similar results on these Vengeance kits as I was debating it!

Yes, you're right. I ran these sticks at 1.6V initially but after a bit of play with them I figured 1.55V is enough to get them stable for what I need and because lately thanks to bitcoins I run my PC 24/7 every little power saving counts. They were MemTest stable @1.525V but I like to give it one up just to be on a safe side. I rather have a bit slower PC but stable for everyday use than crashing Windows every now and then.
When I'm in a mood to bench be sure DIMMs will get 1.7V and my CPU will scream 4.2GHz+ @1.55V on 6 cores, but for Crysis 2, EVE, and online browsing 3.65/4.1Turbo is a sweet spot at default volts for me

My PC idles 200W and slightly pushed tops 750W without major OC above my 24/7 Still 100W reserve in my PSU before it goes pop!

[Sailindawg]

Ket,

Very good review. You told it like it needed. I bought some CAS9, 1600 Corsair Vengeance, 8 G modules on sale at Newegg before your review. I'm getting 1866 @ 10,10,10,24 timings. I'm running the CPU at 4.8. I tweaked the secondary & tertiary timings for bandwidth. The sticks won't run past 1866. However, I'm only running 1.5V. Main timings cannot be tighter, even with higher voltages. Forget CAS9 @ 1866. I only paid $49 for the 8 G kit. Not bad results for the money. Timings don't seem to matter much for SB. If one is going to buy this kit, look at it as nothing more than value RAM, not overclocking RAM. I can't say I'm disappointed with the 1600 kit, but I had no expectations either.

[Dirk Diggler]

Ive had 2 sets of these 1866 kits (Black and blue) that wouldnt play nice at stock timings unless I was giving them 1.65+ volts on my X6. I RMA'd the blue sticks and went with the cas7 Gskill 1600 sticks

[Formula350]

Yes, you're right. I ran these sticks at 1.6V initially but after a bit of play with them I figured 1.55V is enough to get them stable for what I need and because lately thanks to bitcoins I run my PC 24/7 every little power saving counts. They were MemTest stable @1.525V but I like to give it one up just to be on a safe side. I rather have a bit slower PC but stable for everyday use than crashing Windows every now and then.
When I'm in a mood to bench be sure DIMMs will get 1.7V and my CPU will scream 4.2GHz+ @1.55V on 6 cores, but for Crysis 2, EVE, and online browsing 3.65/4.1Turbo is a sweet spot at default volts for me

My PC idles 200W and slightly pushed tops 750W without major OC above my 24/7 Still 100W reserve in my PSU before it goes pop!

I hear ya I'm trying to find said sweetspot myself: Good mem bandwidth, a fair and stable CPU/NB OC that doesn't need lots of voltage thrown at it, and solid performance in games.

I hate to continually bring these up, since they aren't anything special, but these Kingmax sticks really baffle me :\ They use their "Nano" cooling method, which uses the PCB as a heatsink of sorts, through nano-channels or whatever. I was reading a review on the Hercules sticks and they said the max voltage you'd want to give these PSC chips is like 1.8V, which by that time I had already fed them over 1.9V while testing, always making sure to check the temps on them. Now my D9JNL OCZ Reapers (the 7-7-7@1600 1.9V variety) get hot @ 1.9V, even with their massive heatsink... These Nano modules, also 2x2GB, barely even warm to the touch @ 1.9V o_0 The difference in temps are rather extreme and it's just so hard for me to imagine that a module with NO heatsink at all running the same voltage, speed and timings can do that heh Granted, the OCZ modules are a rather early DDR3 process, so is it that and the fact they were binned for 2200Mhz (10-10-10) the reason for the temps; despite voltage? I've yet to check in on my desktop but before I left a few hours ago I set it to do 50 runs of IntelBurnTest 1024MB, which the sticks are currently doing 7-8-7@1600 1.89V (only because I haven't checked their stability any lower). So if it passed them all, I'm sure that voltage level didn't help their life span any haha