Preliminary Bulldozer and Llano Pricing Revealed

[Skratch]

Bulldozer will beat Intel's current cpu's in singelthread and perhaps the 980x multithreading. It's quite easy to understand when you look closer at the architecture. The front-end in Bulldozer is pretty big, which says it got a lot of horsepower. Also it must have to feed the double hungry integer units in the module. In the 4 module/8core BD, up to 4 threads the front end can easy get one integer unit 100% buzy in each module with maximum Turbo, which mean very good performance in 1 to 4 threads. What happens with more threaded workload? Yeah, intel's Hyperthreading deliver at most 30% better performance, and means 130% performance per double-threaded utilized core. BD will deliver 160% per double-threaded utilized module. Here we see 640% from a 8 core BD, and 780% from 980x. However, I think the scaling will be much better on BD, and also higher clocked and more aggressive Turbo. The most inportant is what we don't know, and that is how efficient the architecure is.

Worth to notice is that we don't now if the 80%/160% numbers from AMD in multithreading is correct, we don't now how aggressive the Turbo function will be, and much depends on how optimized the software is for Bulldozer. A lot can be rewritten and better optimized for this new design.

I have a hard time believing that because AMD is pricing its fastest BD (at launch)at 320 so there is no way they would sell it that cheap if it was faster than intels chips.

you do realise that intel is coming out with 1000+ dollar sandy bridge extreme chips right? if BD will beat out 1100 dollar intel chips why would they sell them for 320.

back in the A64 days when AMD was faster than intel they put out 800-1000 FX chips becasue they had the performance lead.

also a note

the sandy extremes are only 6 core chips

I hope you are right because that will drop intels prices big time.

[DarthShader]

darth your missing his point.If BD cant compete with something that came out 1.5 years before it(depending when we can get BDs)then its a fail.

Nope. Not until Intel decides to sell that chip for 320$, to counter BD. Then it will be a fail. Or maybe a success, forcing it's competitor to sell at 1/3 of it's launch price? JF-AMD said something along the line, from memory, "we could make a chip twice as fast as Intel, but you wouldn't be able to afford it". Think about it.

I have a hard time believing that because AMD is pricing its fastest BD (at launch)at 320 so there is no way they would sell it that cheap if it was faster than intels chips.

8130P is a desktop aimed for mainstream chip. This means it has to compete in this area. In this area, there is a 2600K. The 2600K is very good at desktop tasks, which are lightly threaded. It's very unlikely BD will be able outpace an SB at these kind of workloads by such a significant amount, that would warrant an ridiculous price. Therefore, it will be priced reasonable. Why is it so hard to believe?

[Skratch]

Nope. Not until Intel decides to sell that chip for 320$, to counter BD. Then it will be a fail. Or maybe a success, forcing it's competitor to sell at 1/3 of it's launch price? JF-AMD said something along the line, from memory, "we could make a chip twice as fast as Intel, but you wouldn't be able to afford it". Think about it.


8130P is a desktop aimed for mainstream chip. This means it has to compete in this area. In this area, there is a 2600K. The 2600K is very good at desktop tasks, which are lightly threaded. It's very unlikely BD will be able outpace an SB at these kind of workloads by such a significant amount, that would warrant an ridiculous price. Therefore, it will be priced reasonable. Why is it so hard to believe?

IM not talking about the 2600k,you guys are thinking that that is the only chip its supposed to go against.What is the point of BD if its ment to only go up against a 2600k?

I was talking about it being better than the 6 cores that were out way over a year ago.

AMD needs to start making faster chips as intel made 8 billion in the server market with there monsters that sell for 1200 each.

by the time BD is out there will be cheaper 6 core 22nm sandys that will be in its price rance and intel just listed the a new I3 to fit int he low 2 core market and that chip will have hyperthreading.

IM not hating but BD needed to come out 1.5 years ago to compete with intel first gen I5s and I7s

With this price list it looks like AMD is again right where they have always been compared to intel.An ok cheaper alternative that is good for normal use,but that is not going to make AMD any money.

[Hornet331]

by the time BD is out there will be cheaper 6 core 22nm sandys that will be in its price rance and intel just listed the a new I3 to fit int he low 2 core market and that chip will have hyperthreading.

Now your in fantasy land... there wont be any 22nm hexacores before the end of Q3 2012. When we are lucky we will get 22nm qudcores at the beginn of 2012

[Skratch]

Now your in fantasy land... there wont be any 22nm hexacores before the end of Q3 2012. When we are lucky we will get 22nm qudcores at the beginn of 2012

sandy E will be 6 cores no? I think you are thinking about ivy bridge and by AMD time line I would say that intel could easily put out those chips if they wanted too,they are waiting for AMD to put something out.

[RussC]

This statment is such a load of marketing BS scrap. If AMD could make faster CPUs then INTC, they WOULD, BUT THEY CANT. Evertime I see this its just horse poo poo.

RussC

JF-AMD said something along the line, from memory, "we could make a chip twice as fast as Intel, but you wouldn't be able to afford it". Think about it.