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That is surprising since I have yet to meet anyone to worked directly on UEFI that doesn't find it shatbox of incoherent garbage and a last gasp to claim intellectual secrets about the darnedest things. [Aka initializing RAM to all ZEROs is a super dooper secret that no one must have ]

If you wish for my engineering perspective of the topic of firmware; it ultimately comes down to two separate paths:

1) Those that expect the firmware to load platform-independent drivers directly from the hardware. Aka They want Open Firmware and they find UEFI a pathetic joke compared to it.

2) Those that expect the firmware to be a lightweight system designed to perform only the minimum of tasks necessary to load and run a modern 32-bit or 64-bit operating system. Aka they want coreboot and they find UEFI a bloated ugly mess that they wouldn't touch even if it came with a from and

To add insult to injury, it is easy to strap Open firmware support on top of coreboot [ OpenBIOS ] or any level of it you desire and that provides something that UEFI can NEVER do.

Once again, I have to thank you for a very insightful post. I looked around this and other forums and haven't really read anyone else posting these views.

Fit the needs of the users.

Ah yes user's needs.... unfortunately, all too often what users want is not what they need...

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Once again, I have to thank you for a very insightful post. I looked around this and other forums and haven't really read anyone else posting these views.


Ah yes user's needs.... unfortunately, all too often what users want is not what they need...

Fortunately the user group being discussed is not Joe Bob, the special ed kid. It is Operating system engineers, techs and overclockers. So we can skip much of the usual user interface crap and assume only competent people who can figure out CLI, TUI, and GUIs without instruction.

If we are to break those groups down farther we get:

1) people who prefer it if everyone did the work for them. Aka the Open Firmware people. [Auto overclock buttons, full system drivers, and anything that removes thinking]

2) People who prefer to understand and control their system. Aka coreboot people [lean boot, everything configurable, and anything that lets the user control the system]

3) People who like being treated like and like not being able to fix any of their problems Aka UEFI people [No source code, no real control, and no ability to change it]


Now, I personally like category 2 and I understand category 1 but I have no idea what would possess someone to like category 3.