this chinese guy must try to use HWINFO (click on summary), because only in HWINFO we can see now all right actually clocks at cores.
this chinese guy must try to use HWINFO (click on summary), because only in HWINFO we can see now all right actually clocks at cores.
ROG Power PCs - Intel and AMD
CPUs:i9-7900X, i9-9900K, i7-6950X, i7-5960X, i7-8086K, i7-8700K, 4x i7-7700K, i3-7350K, 2x i7-6700K, i5-6600K, R7-2700X, 4x R5 2600X, R5 2400G, R3 1200, R7-1800X, R7-1700X, 3x AMD FX-9590, 1x AMD FX-9370, 4x AMD FX-8350,1x AMD FX-8320,1x AMD FX-8300, 2x AMD FX-6300,2x AMD FX-4300, 3x AMD FX-8150, 2x AMD FX-8120 125 and 95W, AMD X2 555 BE, AMD x4 965 BE C2 and C3, AMD X4 970 BE, AMD x4 975 BE, AMD x4 980 BE, AMD X6 1090T BE, AMD X6 1100T BE, A10-7870K, Athlon 845, Athlon 860K,AMD A10-7850K, AMD A10-6800K, A8-6600K, 2x AMD A10-5800K, AMD A10-5600K, AMD A8-3850, AMD A8-3870K, 2x AMD A64 3000+, AMD 64+ X2 4600+ EE, Intel i7-980X, Intel i7-2600K, Intel i7-3770K,2x i7-4770K, Intel i7-3930KAMD Cinebench R10 challenge AMD Cinebench R15 thread Intel Cinebench R15 thread
be patient, wait until NDA lifts....
update on leak:
translation:續集….
沒想到被如此關注…質疑的聲音也一片一片的.請大家的心態保持中立,這顆並不是AMD的最強版或許有某些B ug 導致！所以此篇測試僅僅作為參考.因上面所選的2種CPU 分別都支持Turbo 功能（Intel 要稍強於AMD）.在上面的測試中分別都沒有關閉.為了盡量公平又把外設都統一了.BIOS下 AMD 關閉TC/ CIE /CnQ –Intel BIOS 下關閉TB/C3,C6/EIST/CIE
軟件更換Cinebench R11.5
Author never thought that this thread could be so noticeable...so do doubts. Please be neutral, this processor ain't the best from AMD or it might consists some bugs(causing low in score). Take this test with a pinch of salt. Both CPU taken for comparison support turbo feature (Intel is slightly better than AMD in this case). Benchmarks conducted had left turbo enabled. For the sake of equality, all parameters are unified, CPU from AMD has turned off Turbo Core/CIE/CnQ and for Intel side, it has TB/C3,C6/EIST/CIE turned off. (edited: left out of the keyword "turned off")
Benchmark software is now updated to Cinebench R11.5
Last edited by haylui; 04-27-2011 at 07:51 AM.
According to an AMD document, the frequency can be as low as 500 MHz.Originally Posted by FlanK3r
The 980x is a heat producing monster. As far as I know, the new BD desktop chips will maintain the same basic heat profile, so it's possible but unlikely that they'd opt to spend the extra money for something not necessary.People say it has a aftermarket cooler ... as far as i remember, 980x comes with a pretty nifty cooler ... so ... maybe that cooler is the new "reference" for the 8 core?
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
It is, BIOS problem addition to crippled BD ES. Cannot give exact numbers but when BD gets released, AMD has nothing to worry about.
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.Besides dude had to know that presenting fist BD score will get attentionBenchmarks conducted had left turbo enabled. For the sake of equality, all parameters are unified, CPU from AMD has turned off Turbo Core/CIE/CnQ and for Intel side, it has TB/C3,C6/EIST/CIE.
Benchmark software is now updated to Cinebench R11.5.However as im understanding it, he done the tests his way and wont do them properly nor investigate the problem.Thats a pity.
Last edited by XRL8; 04-27-2011 at 05:59 AM.
Why would ES CPU's be retail packaged with a cooler?People say it has a aftermarket cooler ... as far as i remember, 980x comes with a pretty nifty cooler ... so ... maybe that cooler is the new "reference" for the 8 core?
It makes sense to meThat makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.Besides dude had to know that presenting fist BD score will get attention.
You cannot expect someone to know everything...
I think his point is that it makes no sense for the guy to state both that turbo was on and turbo was off for the AMD system. It can't be both. There's no way for that to make sense to anybody.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Yeah I didn't mean that part of it.
It looks like he said turbo off for amd and turbo on for intel, but then he says the settings were equ :|.
Beats me.
Sounds pretty optimistic!
you know JF-AMD is looking at this thread, but cant look away because the thing is too much of a train wreck. lol
JF can look, but he's work is not to surf, or discuss with us about desktop performances, ...
He's working for server team, so ... i think he didn't care ...
trust me dude deep down he cares, he may not say it. but he cares.
He cares about people not spreading FUD about super low performance of Bulldozer
It looks lost in translation to me, here's what babelfish got:
I'm pretty sure he's saying that all such features are turned off on both systems.For as far as possible fair unified the peripheral device under .BIOS AMD to close under TC/CIE /CnQ - Intel BIOS to close TB/C3, C6/EIST/CIE
It's a bit funny that we're quoting chiphell, and at the same time they quote us.
Its based on what i have seen with my own eyes and done with my hands
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3 x Zotac GTX 680 4Gb + EK-FC680 GTX Acetal *** 3 x EVGA GeForce GTX780 + EK Titan XXL Edition waterblocks.
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[*] Dell PowerConnect 2848 Ethernet Switch [*] Network Security Devices by Cisco
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[*] Additional SAN machines with FusionIO ioDrive Octal's (4 total Octals).
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[*] Monster UPS unit incase power grid failure backed up by diesel powered generator.
You've driven a bulldozerIts based on what i have seen with my own eyes and done with my hands
You've driven a bulldozer
this little baby?
ROG Power PCs - Intel and AMD
CPUs:i9-7900X, i9-9900K, i7-6950X, i7-5960X, i7-8086K, i7-8700K, 4x i7-7700K, i3-7350K, 2x i7-6700K, i5-6600K, R7-2700X, 4x R5 2600X, R5 2400G, R3 1200, R7-1800X, R7-1700X, 3x AMD FX-9590, 1x AMD FX-9370, 4x AMD FX-8350,1x AMD FX-8320,1x AMD FX-8300, 2x AMD FX-6300,2x AMD FX-4300, 3x AMD FX-8150, 2x AMD FX-8120 125 and 95W, AMD X2 555 BE, AMD x4 965 BE C2 and C3, AMD X4 970 BE, AMD x4 975 BE, AMD x4 980 BE, AMD X6 1090T BE, AMD X6 1100T BE, A10-7870K, Athlon 845, Athlon 860K,AMD A10-7850K, AMD A10-6800K, A8-6600K, 2x AMD A10-5800K, AMD A10-5600K, AMD A8-3850, AMD A8-3870K, 2x AMD A64 3000+, AMD 64+ X2 4600+ EE, Intel i7-980X, Intel i7-2600K, Intel i7-3770K,2x i7-4770K, Intel i7-3930KAMD Cinebench R10 challenge AMD Cinebench R15 thread Intel Cinebench R15 thread
those numbers are useless because bulldozer is almost certainly not that bad
if it is, well then
thanks for clarify it. The original text wrote both systems had all those features turned off!
Anyone knows if the guy is looking into his samples problems ? Its B0, so it should be capable of at least something besides booting.As it looks turbocore is ON ,maybe bios switch on his mobo doesnt work.
Maybe some DOS/linux benches ,like bandwith in memtest should work properly.
For example, my mainborad doesnt have proper turbocore implemented, yet when multi is set to auto, its ON, it gets disabled only when i switch to manual, but then CNQ is on which doesnt work properly also, so to disable it i have to disable it in bios plus in windows,but in dos it just doesnt work.Ill add that when turbo and cnq is on i get pretty abysmal scores, not total idle but frequencies are going all over the place on all cores and it gets maybe 60% of what it should.
Last edited by XRL8; 04-27-2011 at 08:44 AM.
I wouldnt be surprised if the reason for the low performance was due to something retarded like the IMC / L3 being extremely declocked along w/ amazingly low RAM speed.
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...sooo what does this all mean...if not done already.
its even possible that once Bulldozer gets released Intel might increase the prices for the 2600 since currently theyre only 260euro which is pretty cheap for such a high end cpu...same as AMD did past year with the 5850/70 gpus
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"Generally speaking, CMOS power consumption is the result of charging and discharging gate capacitors. The charge required to fully charge the gate grows with the voltage; charge times frequency is current. Voltage times current is power. So, as you raise the voltage, the current consumption grows linearly, and the power consumption quadratically, at a fixed frequency. Once you reach the frequency limit of the chip without raising the voltage, further frequency increases are normally proportional to voltage. In other words, once you have to start raising the voltage, power consumption tends to rise with the cube of frequency."
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