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[andressergio]

I am seeing the same differences from hardware to software as this guy is now:

1.45 bios set on LLC5 i get

1,452 hwinfo/cpuz/ET6 and 1,454 on chokes

i can game whatever but prime fails...bsods 101 and 124 its all my world now lol

[Falkentyne]

So, andre, your DMM readings are accurate with software (at load) just like The_real_7's readings?

[l0ud_sil3nc3]

I am using LLC level 7 with 1.42 set in the bios, that gives 1.44 idle and 1.416 under load according to hwinfo32, testing under the latest build of prime 95 64 bit on a UD7 B3 (f3 bios). I tried using LLC 6 like most recommended and did not like how it was under/over volting at the wrong times, I was getting bsod 124 left and right, so I tried level 7 and I was able to reduce vcore quite a bit. I still think it can go a bit lower as well.

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[sin0822]

1.45 bios set on LLC5 i get

1,452 hwinfo/cpuz/ET6 and 1,454 on chokes

i can game whatever but prime fails...bsods 101 and 124 its all my world now lol

I tried to cross flash my UD7-B2 but it wouldn't work? Id like to know how to do it as well.

Try LLC level 6 or LLC level 7 those results are justing showing DMM and software. Its has nothing to do with out board, but that board uses the same hardware monitoring chip.

[sin0822]

I am using LLC level 7 with 1.42 set in the bios, that gives 1.44 idle and 1.416 under load according to hwinfo32, testing under the latest build of prime 95 64 bit on a UD7 B3 (f3 bios). I tried using LLC 6 like most recommended and did not like how it was under/over volting at the wrong times, I was getting bsod 124 left and right, so I tried level 7 and I was able to reduce vcore quite a bit. I still think it can go a bit lower as well.

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is HWinfo showing the same voltage as easytune? easytune has real time voltage monitoring too.

[sin0822]

So, andre, your DMM readings are accurate with software (at load) just like The_real_7's readings?

why don't you go buy a 20 dollar DMM? That way you can tell us how your UD5 handle LLC.

As i showing in the picture before, here is idle is the lower voltage, and load is the higher voltage, this is LLC level10.
See there still is a difference, but its minimal, my other older DMM and its cheaper too, it showing 5mv more than this DMM.

Also as i showed before hwinfo32 the version he posted for download=easytune. You gotta set eh poling interval to 1second.

honestly i forget what voltage i set, but this is level10. I think its either 1.3v or 1.32v i am unsure. I am redoing my tests with this DMM, even though its showing the same trends.

[andressergio]

I am using LLC level 7 with 1.42 set in the bios, that gives 1.44 idle and 1.416 under load according to hwinfo32, testing under the latest build of prime 95 64 bit on a UD7 B3 (f3 bios). I tried using LLC 6 like most recommended and did not like how it was under/over volting at the wrong times, I was getting bsod 124 left and right, so I tried level 7 and I was able to reduce vcore quite a bit. I still think it can go a bit lower as well.

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correct G this is on my UD7 B2 with last F8 matches your volts i dont know if this is stable or not on this BIOS i was stable on F8f but volts match as you said



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seems u enlighted me guys Thanks loud and sin LLC7 seems to work DMM Shows LOAD vcore



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[sin0822]

correct G this is on my UD7 B2 with last F8 matches your volts i dont know if this is stable or not on this BIOS i was stable on F8f but volts match as you said



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seems u enlighted me guys Thanks loud and sin LLC7 seems to work DMM Shows LOAD vcore



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Your readings are pretty much like mine, i didn't think there woudl be much difference between the two different revisions, and there really isn't.

Does BIOS f8f for the B2 have the 10 levels?

I did test against F3H and there is a huge difference in the difference between what software and hardware show. I think they improved it, i did tell GB that there was a huge difference that could potentially degrade chips with LLC level2, and i think that is why they incorporated all the levels, so that the user has a bit more control. OR maybe its that these levels are closer to software readings.

I am going to redo my chart tonight, so i will have finalized readings for you guys hopefully by midnight, if the GF allows.


BTW if you are wondering about the DMM, mine at least about the accuracy its as follows:
400mv +/- 0.5% of readings, +/- 4 in the last digit
4v-40v,400v +/- 0.8% of reading, +/- 3 in the last digit
600V +/- 1.0% of reading, +/- 4 in the last digit


its auto ranging so there is no calibration(modern day DMMs don't need calibration, some do most do not)

My original stuff was done with my very old trust velleman DMM, and its not auto ranging, its just i didn't have batteries for my better DMM, but i went out and bought some. anyways they are pretty damn close, but my old one shows voltage higher than my other.

[andressergio]

Your readings are pretty much like mine, i didn't think there woudl be much difference between the two different revisions, and there really isn't.

Does BIOS f8f for the B2 have the 10 levels?

I did test against F3H and there is a huge difference in the difference between what software and hardware show. I think they improved it, i did tell GB that there was a huge difference that could potentially degrade chips with LLC level2, and i think that is why they incorporated all the levels, so that the user has a bit more control. OR maybe its that these levels are closer to software readings.

I am going to redo my chart tonight, so i will have finalized readings for you guys hopefully by midnight, if the GF allows.

yes exact the same

sin can you confirm this ?

ALL levels of LLC when you are gamming (tired all games) vcore increases more than idle choke reads 1,477 gamming, load prime i show on the pics

so far tried 5 levels ALL do the same

3dm11/crysis2/moh/bc2/shift2 all load more acting like OLD LLC2

such a weird thing...

cheers

[Falkentyne]

why don't you go buy a 20 dollar DMM? That way you can tell us how your UD5 handle LLC.

As i showing in the picture before, here is idle is the lower voltage, and load is the higher voltage, this is LLC level10.
See there still is a difference, but its minimal, my other older DMM and its cheaper too, it showing 5mv more than this DMM.

Also as i showed before hwinfo32 the version he posted for download=easytune. You gotta set eh poling interval to 1second.

honestly i forget what voltage i set, but this is level10. I think its either 1.3v or 1.32v i am unsure. I am redoing my tests with this DMM, even though its showing the same trends.

Might get one next month. I want the one real_7 has. Over my budget right now since I have to buy my friend a UD4 and give him my first 2600k.

[Falkentyne]

yes exact the same

sin can you confirm this ?

ALL levels of LLC when you are gamming (tired all games) vcore increases more than idle choke reads 1,477 gamming, load prime i show on the pics

so far tried 5 levels ALL do the same

3dm11/crysis2/moh/bc2/shift2 all load more acting like OLD LLC2

such a weird thing...

cheers

Andre:

Your vcore at load in prime is 1.438, but in 3d game it's 1.477 ??

What about Super Pi?

[sin0822]

yes exact the same

sin can you confirm this ?

ALL levels of LLC when you are gamming (tired all games) vcore increases more than idle choke reads 1,477 gamming, load prime i show on the pics

so far tried 5 levels ALL do the same

3dm11/crysis2/moh/bc2/shift2 all load more acting like OLD LLC2

such a weird thing...

cheers

Ill check it for you, but that is VERY weird. Can you tell me exactly what you want me to check?

Might get one next month. I want the one real_7 has. Over my budget right now since I have to buy my friend a UD4 and give him my first 2600k.

Ehh fluke is ok, they are WAY overpriced. Extech makes really good ones, kiethly really makes some of the best. Fluke you just pay for the name, don't get me wrong they are GREAT meters, but for measuring DC voltage under 40v there is no difference, you could use a 10 dollar meter and it would give you an accurate measurement.

True RMS meters are also NOT needed at all and wont make any difference. All our measurements from DC are from a sin wave, so true RMS allows measurement of other types of waves, which is VERy important when measuring AC current, BUT you wont be doing. Fluke meters also come with 10 year warranties, but DMM tech has come such a far way you can buy a 10 dollar one and when it starts to goto you can buy a new one. So don't get me wrong fluke makes great DMMs, but not necessarily any difference between its readings and a much cheaper brand. They prob will last much longer though. The funny part is that fluke says people love their meters is because they measure both AC and DC voltage and frequency, well i am sorry but a 10 dollar DMM does the same now(well not frequency).
Something to look for in a meter is accuracy like i posted above, those specs are available for every meter you buy.
Id buy from these companies though not in anty order:
Fluke Extech
Klien
Kiethly
milwakee

Kiethly and milwakee being more expensive. The problem i have with very expensive DMMs is that you never use their other functions that come with that price. You could also buy a scope for $200 bucks lol and that would beat out any DMM, of course a scope takes skill you gotta know more than just stick it here and there.

[andressergio]

Ill check it for you, but that is VERY weird. Can you tell me exactly what you want me to check?

just put the DMM on the choke and test VCORE while u game or 3DM11 you will see vcore goes up

test it im sure it will do the same

kinda worried of this as i game a lot...

[andressergio]

So should I return this board?



I haven't even unpacked it yet.

For the record, it's 'REV:1.0'.

naaa unpack da beast

[sin0822]

So should I return this board?



I haven't even unpacked it yet.

For the record, it's 'REV:1.0'.

no man, if Dino said its fine then its fine, i changed my statement because of that info. The PCBs had already been made and they used them.

so during gaming your vcore raises? shouldn't it raise?

[owikh84]

So should I return this board?

I haven't even unpacked it yet.

For the record, it's 'REV:1.0'.

much better than my MIVE B3. It is recycled from my B2 board which is rev 1.02. it came back after 3 weeks together with TIM residue left on heatsink some more. plus a bent system panel connector pins.

[andressergio]

so during gaming your vcore raises? shouldn't it raise?

i think the question is for me ?

why vcore should go up when load prime goes down ? so weird

[andressergio]

much better than my MIVE B3. It is recycled from my B2 board which is rev 1.02. it came back after 3 weeks together with TIM residue left on heatsink some more. plus a bent system panel connector pins.

so crap man i would be ungry too...but im on South America so no chance to return notha...so far B2 runing strong

[zsamz_]

so crap man i would be ungry too...but im on South America so no chance to return notha...so far B2 runing strong

i have a b2 commin in soon too

but i cheaped out n got a 2500k

hopin these gigabut boards are good

[sin0822]

i have a b2 commin in soon too

but i cheaped out n got a 2500k

hopin these gigabut boards are good

i don't think you will be disappointed is this your first Gigabyte board?

[andressergio]

i have a b2 commin in soon too

but i cheaped out n got a 2500k

hopin these gigabut boards are good

nice zsamz they are great and strong and also 2500k are great

have fun

[andressergio]

i don't think you will be disappointed is this your first Gigabyte board?

no lol check the signature he tends to destroy them

[sin0822]

lol those are pre X48, i think GB did a turn around then.

[Lsdmeasap]

I thought UD5/UD7 are stil revision 1.0? my UD7-B3 is rev 1.0 with new PCB label. There has been no hardware change, i paid close attention to resistor ratings around the PWM and they are 100% the same as teh old UD7-B2.

ED- its hard for me to read that type of english! LOL

Sorry about the last PM, i didn't want you to give your hopes up like i did.

Haha, I know what you mean, I have a tough time deciphering it sometimes too. I think only the boards with new codecs are rev. 1.1

No worries about the PM, I'm happy to get it so at least someone can share the pain with me

I tried to cross flash my UD7-B2 but it wouldn't work? Id like to know how to do it as well.

Try LLC level 6 or LLC level 7 those results are justing showing DMM and software. Its has nothing to do with out board, but that board uses the same hardware monitoring chip.

There is modified BIOS a few pages back (And on Hwbot), with B3 BIOS that has board ID Changed to B2, so you can flash B2 board to B3, then reflash both BIOS with official B3 BIOSes. If you want it, and can't find it let me know and I'll point it out for you.

[Falkentyne]

much better than my MIVE B3. It is recycled from my B2 board which is rev 1.02. it came back after 3 weeks together with TIM residue left on heatsink some more. plus a bent system panel connector pins.

Kevin, you're kidding......
Ok..you're not kidding...

Can you contact your credit card company to file a claim ? Because that's basically fraud...(after of course trying to resolve this with whoever processed your RMA).

They're supposed to ship you NEW boards, not frankenstein'd boards...
If I saw this happening I'd be on the phone with my bank faster than the speed of light....