AMD says "Prove it!"

[safan80]

Cursor bug?

I've not seen anything like that on my 4870. I'm still running 10.12 drivers, but that is within this year timeframe you're talking about.

I have not seen it either. Not on the 5970 or my 6970s in XFire. Im currently running the 11.4 preview drivers.

[Postmodum]

I have a 5850 CF an didn't have any problems so far with drivers

[slaveondope]

I have a 5850 CF an didn't have any problems so far with drivers

How many games you play or benchmarks you run with each set of drivers?
I will swear forever by 10.4's for that configuration on win7x64x86

[NEOAethyr]

If nvidia sent me a quadro variant of the 590, I'de prove it lol.
Pretty card...
The only thing wrong with it is that it's downclocked, but there's nothing stopping you from changing that.

300w+ card though.
It better cook for me.

[Postmodum]

How many games you play or benchmarks you run with each set of drivers?
I will swear forever by 10.4's for that configuration on win7x64x86

Hmmmm

- Dirt 2
- Bad Company 2
- PES ( ehehe )
- CoD's
- Hot Persuit 2
- Shift

... as for benchmarking ... i don't do that much benching with these CF's ... it's a "temporary" solution while i decide on the next gpu that was supposed to be a 590 but ... still trying to give it more time to see where these initial problems will lead

I'm talking about today ... i'm using 11.2 drivers.
Before, i was working with a GTX295 anda GTX580 after that. This 5850 was used on a computer just for work ... no problems there either. But since i sold all the cards, i've just "harvested" the 5850's laying around the office and made a CF

[slaveondope]

Hmmmm

- Dirt 2
- Bad Company 2
- PES ( ehehe )
- CoD's
- Hot Persuit 2
- Shift

... as for benchmarking ... i don't do that much benching with these CF's ... it's a "temporary" solution while i decide on the next gpu that was supposed to be a 590 but ... still trying to give it more time to see where these initial problems will lead

I'm talking about today ... i'm using 11.2 drivers.
Before, i was working with a GTX295 anda GTX580 after that. This 5850 was used on a computer just for work ... no problems there either. But since i sold all the cards, i've just "harvested" the 5850's laying around the office and made a CF

Play all those games roughly
BC2
MW2/Bop's
NFS Shift
FO3/Vegas
Metro 2033
Amnesia
L4D/2
Crunch M@H
Bench all.

Now for benching some laters are better but for all around stability/performance 10.4 I've found to be the best.
Had more issues with other drivers than these through the multitude of apps Ive run.
To each his own

[Levesque]

It's funny to read all those comments about the 590: ''nicer, cuter, quieter'' on Xtreme forum. Never tought I would read things like that in here.

It's like reading on a little girls forum about the latest Little Pet Shop, or Barbie, that just came out.

Who cares about sound. Put a waterblock on the 6990 an OC it like crazy. No more noise. Raise the voltage, no problems. Put a waterblock on the 590... and .. and try to OC it just a little bit... puff! black smoke... Oups sorry, we are blaming the beta drivers (but bad VRMs and design are the real reasons...oups, sorry).

[mAJORD]

Performance, and power consumption the 6990 seems to have an edge.. Very minor in the performance part (trading blows) and minor, but notable in power consumption.

However, I can see the 590 being the easier card to live with purely because it's quieter. Perhaps AMD should spend a little time designing a better cooler and they'll actually have a more clear winner, since the card underneath is, IMO, a better peice of hardware.

[Falkentyne]

ATI cards don't blow up, though, when you increase the voltage. So yeah, they're done right.

AMD is on a roll lately.
This has to be one of the best years for AMD in ages. First they throw some low blows at Intel after news about the B2 recall (Ready, willing, and reliable), and now they're throwing some low blows at Nvidia (The way it's meant to be fried).

Can't say that they haven't earned the right to do that, though....

[Ket]

TBH I find ATIs behaviour lately extremely juvenile and unprofessional. Good hardware is nothing without good software. Catalyst software has not been good in a long time.

[slaveondope]

ATI cards don't blow up, though, when you increase the voltage. So yeah, they're done right.

AMD is on a roll lately.
This has to be one of the best years for AMD in ages. First they throw some low blows at Intel after news about the B2 recall (Ready, willing, and reliable), and now they're throwing some low blows at Nvidia (The way it's meant to be fried).

Can't say that they haven't earned the right to do that, though....

My feelings exactly. Though feelings are not news

[sniper_sung]

Well you could bring that arguement further by saying,if you have $700 to spend on this card you can get a proper mb and go sli/cf with two cards.
I'm suprised amd does not tout the fact that you can mix and match same seires cards at will but thats ot.

If you have the money to spend for 2 x 590, you could also buy 2 x 6990 + waterblocks for better performance as well, given that the current driver doesn't make 2 x 590 rock.

[sniper_sung]

Play all those games roughly
BC2
MW2/Bop's
NFS Shift
FO3/Vegas
Metro 2033
Amnesia
L4D/2
Crunch M@H
Bench all.

Now for benching some laters are better but for all around stability/performance 10.4 I've found to be the best.
Had more issues with other drivers than these through the multitude of apps Ive run.
To each his own

For my 5870 CF I found 10.3 to be the best, until I had to install 11.4 preview for Dragon Age 2. That's when I decided to upgrade to 6950 CF.

[BeepBeep2]

TBH I find ATIs behaviour lately extremely juvenile and unprofessional. Good hardware is nothing without good software. Catalyst software has not been good in a long time.

Then again good software is nothing with bad hardware. I find ATI's drivers improving lately.

[cronicash]

At least ati can run more screens, generally run higher AA with more ram. Also load games faster imo. Watching bfbc2 load on an sli setup is daunting. Wish nvid had morphological aa, easier surround settings, nicer back plates, not have to rely on vapor chamber (excuse for premium thats going into cooling more than ati's expenditure on heat sinks?)... Ironic to complain about noise on a high end gaming pc imo when you should be using it with the sounds turned up or headphones on, otherwise turned off (not wasting power with no bars hold gear)... I see too many peeps using bloated systems for an ambient lighting ornament...

[BeepBeep2]

At least ati can run more screens, generally run higher AA with more ram. Also load games faster imo. Watching bfbc2 load on an sli setup is daunting. Wish nvid had morphological aa, easier surround settings, nicer back plates, not have to rely on vapor chamber (excuse for premium thats going into cooling more than ati's expenditure on heat sinks?)... Ironic to complain about noise on a high end gaming pc imo when you should be using it with the sounds turned up or headphones on, otherwise turned off (not wasting power with no bars hold gear)... I see too many peeps using bloated systems for an ambient lighting ornament...

All the high end ATI GPU's (6870/6950/6970/6990) have vapor chamber heatsinks.
NVIDIA just came out with their "morph AA" now, but yes ATI had all of those things, even NVIDIA Surround or Eyefinity first.

NVIDIA most likely gets less yeilds, so they get less return, it makes sense that they would try to charge the most they can.

[Sparky]

TBH I find ATIs behaviour lately extremely juvenile and unprofessional. Good hardware is nothing without good software. Catalyst software has not been good in a long time.

I see you repeat this thing about ATI drivers suck over and over, but really, I can't say I've had any real issues with most drivers I use, from either camp

Can't help but wonder if the constant every month driver upgrade causes more trouble than it helps. I upgrade my drivers once every 6 months or so unless I do a reload in between there or something like that.

[cronicash]

All the high end ATI GPU's (6870/6950/6970/6990) have vapor chamber heatsinks.
NVIDIA just came out with their "morph AA" now, but yes ATI had all of those things, even NVIDIA Surround or Eyefinity first.

NVIDIA most likely gets less yeilds, so they get less return, it makes sense that they would try to charge the most they can.

Only vapor i can find for ati are the sapphire vapor-x. How would they fit that into the new single slot 6950's? I remember nvid talking about morph aa but have not yet seen it, been quite some time since ati actually implemented it..

Ati 6990 heatsink
]
(wheres the two piece sealed sink for vapor?)

[BeepBeep2]

Only vapor i can find for ati are the sapphire vapor-x. How would they fit that into the new single slot 6950's? I remember nvid talking about morph aa but have not yet seen it, been quite some time since ati actually implemented it

All the reference coolers have vapor chamber coolers, and are dual slot designs.
They are like flat heatpipes.

I own two Sapphire Vapor-X 5770's btw, older reference model with the Sapphire heatsink, wonderful cards in crossfire.

[cronicash]

Had four 5870, one was eyefinity6....

still i reckon allot more work and money has gone into their thermal design...
Amd aim quite high and seem to lead imo, whilst nvid always waits for competitors to release products just to market their own at a slight advantage...

[HelixPC]

Before claiming the fastest graphics card, fix your drivers, the fact that the latest official drivers still have the stuttering bug on the top right corner of the screen in windows 7 64 bit says alot, 4 months after the release of the 6950 and 6970, this bug still exists

[Lanek]

If nvidia sent me a quadro variant of the 590, I'de prove it lol.
Pretty card...
The only thing wrong with it is that it's downclocked, but there's nothing stopping you from changing that.

300w+ card though.
It better cook for me.

nothing really ? are you sure you have not seen anything who will not let you clock it as you want ? as something who make some white smoke when it happend ..

[Lanek]

Only vapor i can find for ati are the sapphire vapor-x. How would they fit that into the new single slot 6950's? I remember nvid talking about morph aa but have not yet seen it, been quite some time since ati actually implemented it..

Ati 6990 heatsink
]
(wheres the two piece sealed sink for vapor?)

are you sure you know how work vapor chamber ? or maybe you are misleading it with vapor phase chamber cooling ?

[Lanek]

i like how peoples with driver comparaison, when Nvidia have just push 3 drivers for GTX 590 who should not kill your gpu cause they have an OCP prevention system now for all games, who will allow the card to don't die prematurely if we follow them ..

What we should conclude? on the 4th drivers OCP will kick all time and reduce the core clock to 322mhz for allow play Dirt2 at 20fps ?

[cronicash]

are you sure you know how work vapor chamber ? or maybe you are misleading it with vapor phase chamber cooling ?

I cannot see a seal/ gap or bolts to hold the two pieces of copper together to attain vapor...?
(nice grammar)