Swiftech to release optional HSF for MCP35. pumps

[meanmoe]

The custom screw goes thru the rubber bushing the fan and reaches to the heatsink. while the screw is custom, the thread is standard M3.

Ok, so then the paradigm is that it's not's physically attachable to a case and rather held in place my the tubing and the fact that it'll be relatively heavy and sitting on rubber. (and that the case is stationary and not sitting in the back of an empty tractor trailer) That correct?

I'm not being silly, just making sure that I understand.

Edit: +1 on swiffy QDCs!@ (no drip and metal of course)

[terramir]

I wonder if this would work with an apogee drive just slap in on top and bingo less heat from the pump inside the loop
terramir

[crash5s]

got a little militant on that one eh?

i'll revise my statement:

A lot of people used aluminum rads because they didn't want to buy all those expensive 'watercooling' radiators that were just painted heater cores.

what I'm saying, go back 10 years ago and ppl freak out a LOT less about aluminum.

They freaked out less... and then corrosion happened and then they freaked out.

Why are you so dead set in justifying things that caused problems, you grow a big rubbery one for using second rate products and breaking things

[terramir]

They freaked out less... and then corrosion happened and then they freaked out.

Why are you so dead set in justifying things that caused problems, you grow a big rubbery one for using second rate products and breaking things

Ehhh aluminum is fine as long as you use decent antifreeze and well more important all aluminum parts, good luck finding a decent aluminum water-block though. So yes copper and brass it needs to be if you want the loop to live a long time.

[brammers]

Don't forget copper-coated is also fine to mix with Alu. Koolance used to use Gold plating to get round the issue.

How would plating with Chrome or Nickel hold up? (I'm not too good at understanding the galvanic chart).

J

[NaeKuh]

Hello All,
I am pleased to report the upcoming release of a new cooling accessory for the MCP35. pump series (MCP350, 355, 35X).

Uhhh gabe you guys should of came to me when you made this.

You'd think Bei and I had better versions after the ones we played with.

Technically Koolance wasn't the orignator of the DDC heatsink either... Naekuh was, who got his idea from something Rocky (evil98) did. And trust me, I hate to even admit that Naekuh was at the start of it, because now I'll never hear the end of it.

Had these guys for a VERY long time... and a few of my friends still have them.

2008 to be exact.. :P


Ummmm swiftech has a larger base, so i cant speak for them.
But when i was playing with them, and i still have some of them on... they worked fairly well.

I use koolance versions now tho, unless the fixture is made so it cant take the extended koolance housing.



Now i dont see why u guys got your panties in a bunch when the alu isnt even wetted.
The only time we avoid alu is when its wetted.

[IFMU]

ok everyone, i think the point has been made.

let it drop and not continue to degrade an announcement of a new product by swiftech

[NaeKuh]

Im sorry marty i have to answer this guy.

If you feel that this post is improper just remove it.

They also had the compression fittings that rotted through left and right. I'd say they are completely different, and I'll tip my hat to them doing a completely 180 and turning from "avoid at all costs" to "one of the best", it's really impressive and I'd recomend their products to anybody as some of, if not some cases, the best out there.

I'm just trying to set history and facts straight as to why some people get iffy about things.

Koolance, innovatek, aquacomputer all swore up and down by ALU despite in causing corrosion, glycol be damned as that only slows it down, and one of them even trotted out a BS radiator test to justify it. That happened. Swiftech screwed the pooch with an ALU top on a block that despite "mil grade plating" still landed up with problems and had to come out with a copper top later, and EK had their own stand off fiasco.

Nobody is perfect, but to claim "everybody had alu radiators and glycol stops it" is rather false.

I won't even get into DD and their personal cheer leader of bling DB and his idiocy.

Ok lemme first start off by saying, no h2o vendor is perfect.

I can name 1 epic fail from every vendor out there, except AF, probably because he's always been small, and always followed the way of the wise.

But everyone has failed epically.

No vendor is perfect, but its the effort they make to become perfect. This is what makes the vendor important.


So far, all the vendors who comes on XS alone, are trying to become perfect.
The wouldnt listen to our rants, and our opinions, unless it was important.

To look at a vendors mistake in the past, and not see how much they made an effort to change now, is only looking at them with the back of your head.

Koolance especially, you guys have no idea how much work DEAN, yes... the guy with the futurama robot avatar, had put into XS, and Koolance, to get the image and name they have now.

Swiftech wouldnt be the company they are now without.. Gabe.. and michelle... <-- sorry gabe u know how much we love her...
He is another vendor who strives at making things perfect.
Even if his own product isnt perfect, gabe will sit there for hours pondering why.. and test things out himself.
You couldnt ask for more.

So u guys stop ranting about the past.
The past is the past... rant about the present..

So far LCing itself is in a new world compared to what it was when i drafted those DDC's sinks.
And i have paper drawings to confirm also!!! lolol...

You remember how i did things in the old.. busted out paper with a pencil and just started drawing.

[gabe]

And I believe BeiFei was the one that made them for him. I still have a couple laying around. I never really thought the MCP355 needed one, but it was a nice idea. Gabe, I love the fact that you are improving your designs. You have brought a lot of new products to the community lately and I am really looking forward to seeing the new rads. I would like to see some acrylic tops come from you for your blocks, but other than that I am just really liking all your new products and revisions. Glad to see you are not just sitting around playing WOW.

New Rads: Stephen has substantially upgraded our test bench, and it has allowed him to conduct very throrough tests with superior accuracy to what was possible before. The new rads reflect our findings. Nothing revolutionary, but substantive performance improvements in the most commonly used configurations.

Acrylic tops: up until recently, despite our best efforts, we've had cracking issues wit those. The guys at Koolance have a good approach on the design, using S/S cover to fasten the acrylic plate, which spreads the stress and prevents cracking, and I noticed that EK is now using a similar concept on one of their latest offerings. Personnaly, I am always reluctant to use someone else's idea unless I can innovate and improve upon it, and make it "my own" so to speak -but in general, I do stay away from others' ideas, and would rather innovate pure and simple, just for the joy of it!

This being said, I have not given up on acrylic tops. We recently bought a piece of equipment to treat the material. Let's see if it produces positive results.

Ok, so then the paradigm is that it's not's physically attachable to a case and rather held in place my the tubing and the fact that it'll be relatively heavy and sitting on rubber. (and that the case is stationary and not sitting in the back of an empty tractor trailer) That correct?

I'm not being silly, just making sure that I understand.

Edit: +1 on swiffy QDCs!@ (no drip and metal of course)

I edited my earlier response . Bugt yes, the assy can either sit on the panel unnatached, or be bolted to the panel. If you were to bolt it, you'd keep the rubber bushing in place on the feet, and drive a 6-32 thru the back of the panel, preferably using another rubber washer to decouple the screw.

I wonder if this would work with an apogee drive just slap in on top and bingo less heat from the pump inside the loop
terramir

Yes, why not if you have enough room? the Drive motor has the mount holes. You could even recut the HSF to fit the pump, it's very easy to do with a hacksaw. In fact, I wonder if we shouldn't release another HSF just for this. Need to discuss with Stephen about it. But note this: the amount of heat that goes into the loop remains very limited, so the primary benefit of installing an HSF to the pump would'nt be noticeable for loop thermal perf, but rather to remove heat from the pump.

[terramir]

Yes, why not if you have enough room? the Drive motor has the mount holes. You could even recut the HSF to fit the pump, it's very easy to do with a hacksaw. In fact, I wonder if we shouldn't release another HSF just for this. Need to discuss with Stephen about it. But note this: the amount of heat that goes into the loop remains very limited, so the primary benefit of installing an HSF to the pump would'nt be noticeable for loop thermal perf, but rather to remove heat from the pump.

regrettably you discontinued the apogee drive, wondering three things
A. what are the difference between the xt and the GT/drive.
B. if the pins are different on the xt would it be possible to upgrade the drive by changing the copper plate
C. back to the heatsink I was thinking of adding the heatsink because I was thinking of doing the mcp350 to 355 mod and the additional heat from the pump might bleed to the coolant are all the drive ones the ones with the mod-able board?
terramir

[crash5s]

Im sorry marty i have to answer this guy.

If you feel that this post is improper just remove it.




Ok lemme first start off by saying, no h2o vendor is perfect.

I can name 1 epic fail from every vendor out there, except AF, probably because he's always been small, and always followed the way of the wise.

But everyone has failed epically.

No vendor is perfect, but its the effort they make to become perfect. This is what makes the vendor important.


So far, all the vendors who comes on XS alone, are trying to become perfect.
The wouldnt listen to our rants, and our opinions, unless it was important.

To look at a vendors mistake in the past, and not see how much they made an effort to change now, is only looking at them with the back of your head.

Koolance especially, you guys have no idea how much work DEAN, yes... the guy with the futurama robot avatar, had put into XS, and Koolance, to get the image and name they have now.

Swiftech wouldnt be the company they are now without.. Gabe.. and michelle... <-- sorry gabe u know how much we love her...
He is another vendor who strives at making things perfect.
Even if his own product isnt perfect, gabe will sit there for hours pondering why.. and test things out himself.
You couldnt ask for more.

So u guys stop ranting about the past.
The past is the past... rant about the present..

So far LCing itself is in a new world compared to what it was when i drafted those DDC's sinks.
And i have paper drawings to confirm also!!! lolol...

You remember how i did things in the old.. busted out paper with a pencil and just started drawing.

Yawn, I corrected someone on why some people have odd views, and then corrected him on ALU and it's history.

And I did point out that each had epic fails as well, don't know why you are getting on a horse here.

You're respected dude, but don't turn into a DarthBeavis where you shill the crap out of one company. You're starting to make that move.

[Church]

Shouldn't thread direction go at least distantly back to what it was initially about?

[Vapor]

Shouldn't thread direction go at least distantly back to what it was initially about?

+1

[terramir]

Shouldn't thread direction go at least distantly back to what it was initially about?

I tried see above LOL +2
terramir

[IFMU]

ok now i've allowed a bit of leeway and the comments are starting to get a little personal.
So, no more off thread topic comments. If someone does, they will receive an infraction, this thread will be locked and i will ask gabe to create a new thread. which if anyone involved in this little spectacle posts in it, they will being taking a little vacation.

Get it? Got it? Good.

[Big Myke]

This new product announcement another way of saying that the MCP35X may overheat on its own w/o this passive/active cooler and reduce the RMAs being shipped into swiftech which turns losses into profits for Swiftech?

[Church]

No. it was mentioned that MCP35X is among pumps this heatsink can be mounted on, but not that it's needed for it. Imho it's not needed on MCP350/DDC-3.1[0,5] too. It's 18W versions that sometimes tend to overheat.
As for heatsink itself .. i see same drawbacks in this, starting in what was in original BeiFei's one - bad heat transfer from original plastic case, - imho this time Koolance did more "right way", and not just cooling wise (metallic and not airtight casing replacement), but also size and mounting holes wise (not too sure about the last, but am too lazy to recheck). - As in imho one of main features for such heatsink to have - for it to be mountable on pumps mounted in as many ways as possible, not just one scenario - directly on case wall/floor. Because of bigger size - double tops can be striked out, one should check also how are things with bayrestops, (UN)design mounts probably also are out because of bigger distance between screws on this larger heatsink.

[Martinm210]

The heat amount of the 35X also depends on how PWM is used or not. I've got one setup right now that's running a 30% to 70% dynamic scaling using 42C coretemps as my loading switch using speedfan. The sunbeam rheosmart doing the same for my fans and the MCP35X are both connected to the MB header. It's not until I bench or render video or game really heavily that it ever really hits that 42C mark.

There is really no reason to run the 35X at 100% all the time if you make use of PWM.

At 30%, the power consumption reduces from a possible 22+ watts to only 6 watts at which point heat is pretty minimal.

I just like the idea of keeping the pump cool, both for the pump and also to minimize heat dump into the loop.

[gabe]

This new product announcement another way of saying that the MCP35X may overheat on its own w/o this passive/active cooler and reduce the RMAs being shipped into swiftech which turns losses into profits for Swiftech?

No. it was mentioned that MCP35X is among pumps this heatsink can be mounted on, but not that it's needed for it. Imho it's not needed on MCP350/DDC-3.1[0,5] too. It's 18W versions that sometimes tend to overheat.
As for heatsink itself .. i see same drawbacks in this, starting in what was in original BeiFei's one - bad heat transfer from original plastic case, - imho this time Koolance did more "right way", and not just cooling wise (metallic and not airtight casing replacement), but also size and mounting holes wise (not too sure about the last, but am too lazy to recheck). - As in imho one of main features for such heatsink to have - for it to be mountable on pumps mounted in as many ways as possible, not just one scenario - directly on case wall/floor. Because of bigger size - double tops can be striked out, one should check also how are things with bayrestops, (UN)design mounts probably also are out because of bigger distance between screws on this larger heatsink.

The heat amount of the 35X also depends on how PWM is used or not. I've got one setup right now that's running a 30% to 70% dynamic scaling using 42C coretemps as my loading switch using speedfan. The sunbeam rheosmart doing the same for my fans and the MCP35X are both connected to the MB header. It's not until I bench or render video or game really heavily that it ever really hits that 42C mark.

There is really no reason to run the 35X at 100% all the time if you make use of PWM.

At 30%, the power consumption reduces from a possible 22+ watts to only 6 watts at which point heat is pretty minimal.

I just like the idea of keeping the pump cool, both for the pump and also to minimize heat dump into the loop.

To all above:

Primary reason (incentive) why Stephen designed this, is that he saw interest for it in these forums.

Second (rational) reason: since it cools the pump further, it's win-win. So why not?


My take on it: it is simple, inexpensive, and according to Stephen's tests, effective in removing heat from the pump. So I green-lighted it.

[Church]

gabe: any hints on approximate pricing? "inexpensive" is a bit vague

[gabe]

gabe: any hints on approximate pricing? "inexpensive" is a bit vague

Yes, less than $15.

[Johnny87au]

Nice release gabe, just a matter of time till we seen a 35x or ddc with a passive 80mm fan, knew it after martins tests

[Alexandr0s]

Nice design Gabe, though I find it a bit big. I know it's meant for active cooling as well, but one of the things I really like about the DDC's is their size. They fit in very small spaces, and I think in some places such a heatsink prevents placement. Still a great design nonetheless, and I like its design better than Koolance's (sorry Tim, it's just a matter of preference ).

I can't wait to see how well it does in Martin's decoupling test .

[Martinm210]

Yes, less than $15.

Awesome!

[skinnee]

If its too big, break out the dremel. Nothing says you can't mod it for exactly your size requirements after purchase.