Thanks C-N for the help after many years of AMD/Asus its all new to me I guess its just a small learning curve. I did find what seems to be a solution to the bios deal if I hit DEL only once during the loading of the drives it works over all Im happy with everything so far was able to bump it up to 4.8ghz with a slight bump in vcore http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1731130
with a lot more reading and testing I see no reason this wont run 5.0ghz.The one thing that scared me when I got the board was to find it had a Foxconn socket, had a bad experience one time where it lets say melted. after looking around I found that the CPUZ issue was only the C1E-EIST settings
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