http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/ne...ner_35399.htmlTaipei, Feb. 22, 2011 (CENS)--AMD even plans to exclusively contract TSMC to build its 28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012...
http://news.cens.com/cens/html/en/ne...ner_35399.htmlTaipei, Feb. 22, 2011 (CENS)--AMD even plans to exclusively contract TSMC to build its 28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012...
I think 2012 is a typo. I think they mean 2011.
Here it says 2011.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...d_Quarter.html
Q2 2012 seems way too late.
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That seems very late for a refresh? 1½ year after? Pretty sad if performance will not rise for that long
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That's possible...
Think they'll start with low end (4770-like) chip, though, with high-end coming several months later.
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Yeah,
And HD 7770 is such a great name, lucky numbers
Hope GloFo will deliver another chip, if not, it will be quite a deception.
They just launched their new parts last quarter. Next quarter for new 28nm stuff? It just won't happen. Q2 2012 sounds more likely.
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wasnt the 4770 almost 2 years ago, which means its expected to have a new node based chip this summer?
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We can't really perform a die shrink every year, though.
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correct, every 2 years is right around how long though, so why should it be 50% longer this time around for TSMC?
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So it hasn't even been 2 years since then...The Radeon HD 4700 series was announced on April 28, 2009.
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I was under the impression that they were looking into doing most fab via GloFo... are they that saturated that they still need to outsource further fab? or is it part of their strategyYeah,
And HD 7770 is such a great name, lucky numbers
Hope GloFo will deliver another chip, if not, it will be quite a deception.
I was under the impression that SI was ready and just being held up until the 28nm process was perfected.
In fact, I thought NI was just a modded (stripped down) version of SI using the current process....
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Q2 2011 is 2 years after that date
if this is accurate with Q2 2012, then what does AMD have planned for the next 15 months?
no way 28nm comes out in 2012, we need something new this summer
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2012 is a typo. I thought everyone figured it out by now?
High-end NI is coming out in Q3-Q4 '11. Q1 '12 for mobile solutions. Q2-Q3 '11 for the first 28nm parts is perfectly reasonable.
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I really hope its this year, not next year, seriously, TSMC should not have scrapped 32nm, WTF were they thinking.
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AMD got bad luck with the 32nm as Nvidia is always behind and get the same process 6 months later or even more (HD4770 May 2009, GT400 May 2010 xD ).
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tsmc 28nm in 2012 is a fact. nvidia is their prime customer and huang said during the conference call that 28nm will be just barely ready by end of 2011. that means 2012 for 28nm products. only earlier if you get lucky.
TSMC was rumored to have pushed back 28nm's intro to late this year, so Q2 2012 sounds right
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28nm Southern Islands chip in the second quarter of 2012
TSMC is recognized as the industry`s No.1 supplier of 28nm process foundry with its monthly shipment of 5,000 wafers of 28nm chips in the first quarter of 2011
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Hmm. Now I don't know what sense to make of the available information. hehe I wouldn't expect a new product family after a major launch like the 6800/6900 series for 12 months. Like it or not they have to make their money off this generation before cannibalizing sales with the next. It's not like the 3000 series cards which were a minor post-2000 series launch.
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Considering the slow advancement in games graphics, I can imagine both AMD and NV would like to reach a ceasefire so that both can have longer product lifecycles.
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I doubt AMD would want to do that considering graphics is their number one asset right now to combat the encroaching ARM. Plus their graphics are competing against more than just NV, so I doubt they're even considering taking their foot off the floor. Also, their graphics technology merges into their APU's so they have all the incentive they need to drive innovation.
this cant be right ....
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That and the fact that process shrinks are not going to be infinitely possible. Everyone is going to have to find new avenues to continue to advance product development in the coming years with the remaining node advances.
It'll be interesting where things go when node shrinks are no longer on the table.
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