NEW: aquaero 5 series

[jcrouse]

You wouldnt need any extra parts apart from 5x y-splitters so u can hook for example 2 fans up to 1 channel or run as many fans as you want without going over the 19w on one controller.. Flow meter can be any brand doesnt have anything to do with the aquero 5..

Maybe you didn't understand the "what all would be needed" part. I am obviously a noob and am now interperting your vague response as saying that the Aquaero 5 comes complete with flow meters, pressure gauges and temperature probes. If it doesn't you certainly would have said they are needed. Am I correct?

Thanks for your help,
John

[Johnny87au]

sorry i meant using the aquero u dont need to buy all aquero parts to use a flow meter with the aquero, The Aquero does come with temp sensors which your not after, just grab a flow meter and your good to go, Something like the koolance or aquero one....

[barfastic]

@barfastic:
2 flowsensors for 1 loop is senseless...

doh! yeah... figured it out after.... nos tupid questions, stupid people :P

as for the fans, thanks, ill take a closer look at home, cant remember why i saw 1A.

[SpuTnicK]

Does that mean I can hook up two mcp-35x pumps using a PWM splitter cable to channel 4 for synchronized speed control while the PSU provides power to the pumps through molex, and do so without having to water cool the unit?

I think this can work out fine for two or more pumps, though i am not sure if the PWM control signal will be strong enough for 2 or more pumps to fully control them

[Shoggy]

@kaytaro: there are no plans for a new flow meter. The current version is working fine and provides very accurate measurements according to reviews when compared to other flow sensors.

@Atragon: the IR-Booster is not available yet. It will follow a bit later. This device can only transmit since the aquaero is already able to receive IR signals. If you have a look on the backside of the aquaero you will see a small plug reading IR-LED. That plug is for the IR-Booster.

@churchy: we already had that idea. It is nice, sounds simple but is hard to implement. The problem is the internal structure how the fans are being controlled. We have it on our list but at the moment I can not tell if it will be possible and if so when it will be available.

@barfastic: the display is only available in black/white and won't be available in any other colors. Since it is a custom made display you won't be able to find this display in other colors anywhere else. Changing the color is possible but very VERY difficult. You would have to disassemble almost the whole display and don't expect to see normal LEDs here. It is a very special construction and the LEDs are some kind of integrated to a layer. Or let's say it in other words: if you try to change them it is very likely that you wreck the display

If you order an aquaero XT you already have the most stuff. To use the pump with the aquaero you also need the waterblock. A 3-pin plug for the relais and one or two 2-pin plugs for the PWM outputs are maybe interesting. If you want to use a second flow meter you can use fan channel 1 for it. Of course then you have only three channels left for other stuff. One for the pump and two for fans or whatever. Any 5 V VDD, open collector flow sensor can be used. Of course you also need a connection cable for them.

@jcrouse: you would need the following parts:

1x aquaero XT/PRO/LT
2x flow sensor
2x connection cable for flow sensor
1x poweradjust 2
1x powerconnect ATX adapter*
1x 3-pin relay plug*

*not necessary if you let the aquaero shutdown the system via its USB keyboard interface - of course this only works when Windows is running and you have set the shutdown action.

Four temperature sensors already come with the aquaero. Temperatures like CPU, GPU etc. can be integrated as software sensor via the Open Hardware Monitor tool.

Pressure can not be measured with the aquaero.

@Johnny87au: I would never trust the rating from the manufacturer. We have seen fans that draw three times more power than rated by the producer...

@Amuro: yes, that should work.

[Church]

Shoggy: if you ever decide to work on channel-by-channel startup, i also suggest storing @aquaero values of powerusage for each channel during last powerup, and power on starting with most powerful one. Or if this is not feasible regarding how many cycles flash memory on AA can be written times of, then make possibility in aquasuite to set order of powering up channels be user-customisable. This way one can power most powerful things like pumps or nutcase high power fans first, while whole aquaero suplied power is unused with leaving less powered for powering later on.

Also, you might think of releasing updated waterblocks with inlets placed further from each other, for time when first versions will get sold out, so that even widest bitspower compressions fit (BP CF 1/2"ID-3/4"OD width is 26.01mm) even without using angle fittings. If it's hard to find place for more distanced inlets, you can place/bore G1/4 threaded inlets not strictly perpendicular to waterblock's base, but at an angle.

You could also release optional waterblock instead of stock passive heatsink for PowerAdjusts 2. Imho that imho might rise their max output at least 1.5x fold.

[Shoggy]

Hehe, exactly this function (selectable startup sequence) is one of the biggest problems with this whole feature. Memory is no problem here.

At the moment it is very unlikely that we will offer a waterblock with a larger distance between the threads.

To be able to use a waterblock on the poweradjust we would have to redesign the PCB since it is not possible to use a waterblock on it right now. Max output would not benefit much from that.

[jcrouse]

@jcrouse: you would need the following parts:

1x aquaero XT/PRO/LT
2x flow sensor
2x connection cable for flow sensor
1x poweradjust 2
1x powerconnect ATX adapter*
1x 3-pin relay plug*

*not necessary if you let the aquaero shutdown the system via its USB keyboard interface - of course this only works when Windows is running and you have set the shutdown action.

Four temperature sensors already come with the aquaero. Temperatures like CPU, GPU etc. can be integrated as software sensor via the Open Hardware Monitor tool.

Pressure can not be measured with the aquaero.

Where can I get more info on the poweradjust 2 in English ?

Thanks,
John

[Shoggy]

You can read a litte bit here.

edit: oh, I just saw that I have written down the poweradjusts max. power wrong in this this thread. It is 25W not 48W. Only the poweramp can provide 48W.

[YoooH]

Aquaero 5

[prznar1]

dumb Q i know. but must ask. you still can run a ddc laing pump from the aquaero 5?

[Johnny87au]

dumb Q i know. but must ask. you still can run a ddc laing pump from the aquaero 5?

Check page 1 , answer is yes on channel 1 and 4

[prznar1]

LOL.

thx for info

[Shoggy]

Check page 1 , answer is yes on channel 1 and 4

And 2 and 3 It only depends on the load.

1 and 4 is the best way since their voltage regulators have the most space in between so the temperatures will be lower.

[cx-ray]

Shoggy, on the AE4 I've connected the 2-wire power switch to the relay for emergency shutdown. The AE5 has a 3-pin relay, how does that work with only two wires? Thanks.

[Shoggy]

It can also work with two wires. This relay knows two different states. That is the reason why it has a 3-pin connector this time.

[IanM]

aquaero 5 LT version - no IR option?

Hi, I'm thinking about solutions for a case that has no external drive bays. I had hoped that the IR booster device would be for this, but it seems that some other alternative is needed. So, is there any possibility that the IR remote functionality could be added as an option for LT in future? e.g. an extension cable to an external receiver, or a receiver simply mounted on the case wall with a small hole cut for the IR module to poke through?

or is the LT entirely without the socket where the IR receiver is attached to the XT & Pro versions?

Thanks.

[Brodholm]

Shoggy, A question. Is the poweradjust 2 powerfull enough to control D5 pumps? And Is the Aquaero 5 able to control them when you watercool them?

If so, would you be able to control two D5 with a Aquaero 5 (watercooled) and a poweradjust 2? And also connect 2 flowmeters? One in the AE5 and one in the poweradjust 2.

[Church]

Brodholm: Shoggy already wrote that AA5 can handle one D5 or two DDC+18W, if watercooled. He hadn't two D5 around to test that so didn't know about that. IIRC PA2 was not powerful enough to handle D5. So until someone tests if AA5+waterblock can handle two D5, you can also wait when they complete alternative firmware to aquaero5 (Shoggy said they were working on such), and then buy another AA5 (LT version, as cheaper one)+waterblock too, to handle two D5 pumps.

But then again, at least D5 vario has built in speed controller, and many said that it's rather quiet pump. So maybe you'll be just fine with running it full power with direct power feed from PSU, or using builtin speed controller.

[Shoggy]

@IanM: the necessary IR electronic is a part of the displays PCB. It is very unlikely that there will be an upgrade option only for IR in the future.

@Brodholm: yes, no problem because the poweradjust offers up to 25W constant load and is able to handle up to 48W temporarily. That is more than a channel on the aquaero can provide and since we had a D5 running on it, it must work with the poweradjust 2 too.

[Church]

Shoggy: Oh, so PA2 CAN handle D5? Good to know. I'm guessing that simplest configuration for dual D5 would be air cooled AA5 (most probably enough for all fans) + 2 poweradjusts 2 then.

.. hmm, why did i thought that PA2 is not enough for D5?

[IanM]

@IanM: the necessary IR electronic is a part of the displays PCB. It is very unlikely that there will be an upgrade option only for IR in the future.

Thanks for the answer, I suspected as much. It's disappointing but probably not a deal breaker, although I am slightly surprised - I expected the HTPC users especially are the ones who use smaller cases without 5.25" bays, yet these are also the ones most likely to want IR remotes, but what do I know? Maybe aquaero isn't really for these users anyway...

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Starting individual fans at set temperatures and slowing them to low rpm?

I was considering the semi-passive operation of certain fans to make a system extremely quiet at idle/low power, but of course many fans need a high voltage to start, and only then can be slowed. Can aquaero 5 switch off specific fans/channels at a threshold temperature, and restart them easily? i.e. momentary 10V-12V to get them moving, then immediately adjust to a few hundred RPM.

I read the google translation of the Poweradjust description: "Parametrisierbarer Start-Burst" & "Drehzahlüberwachung mit erneutem Burst bei Stillstand" and it seems like Poweradjust operates in way I ask, but I don't want to just assume that aquaero LT will do this.


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When the later firmware becomes available, will it be possible to slave one LT to another LT? or only slave an LT to an XT/Pro

Thanks again.

[Church]

My guess is that probably it will be possible. AA5 LT with original firmware + AA5LT with alternative 'slave' firmware. But if you wish to regulate two D5, imho it's better to use single AA5+two PA2, then two AA5+two waterblocks for them. = less tubing mess, 4 less fittings.

[Utnorris]

Ok, so I have a few questions:

1 - It looks like I could run my 9 Triberks off of this, 3 per channel, is that correct?

2 - Does the display work without Windows being loaded, i.e. can you still get temps while sitting in the bios?

3 - Will BP temp sensors work with it? Will Koolance flow meters work with it?

4 - I assume the software will display English, can you reorder the tiles?

5 - I believe I read in the first post that fan noise generated by most controllers is not an issue on this, is this correct?

Aquatuning is showing an availability date of 3/18/11, is this correct?

[Shoggy]

@IanM: of course that is also possible with the aquaero 5 series but works a bit different compared to the aquaero 4. For example you can adjust an rpm range where you know that the fan is able to operate. So for example that could be 35 to 100%. This range can be mapped to your regulation settings with the full range of 0 to 100%. So this means that 1% in your regulation could mean 35% as real power. Well, there are so many ways in the aquaero 5 to control something... There is also some kind of start boost option.

Connecting a slave aquaero to another slave aquaero will not be possible. The problem is that the main aquaero must manage all in- and outputs so you would always have to map a lot of stuff from one device to the next which eats a lot of memory.

@Utnorris: 1. )I don't know the technical specifications of these fans but 9 does not sound that much and should work.
2.) Yes, of course. The aquaero is a stand-alone device with its own software and operating system. No PC is required at all to use it.
3.) If it is a 10kOhm NTC it will work. Flow sensor should also work (5V VDD, open collector).
4.) The new aquasuite comes with a translation tool so you can adjust the text yourself and also add Klingon or 1337-Speak if required
5.) The aquaero uses an analog output so there should be no problems with humming noise that some other controllers with PWM have.

Delivery should start mid March. These is no exact date.