NVIDIA GTX 595 (picture+Details)

[informal]

Except you forget one important thing : AMD has the single card performance crown with 5970. It's faster than 580 GTX. It's NVidia that's playing catchup ever since Evergreen launched.

[DarthShader]

I personally think 2x560 would be enough to beat/match 6990, because we already know 560 beats 6950.

Are you for real?

Have you seen the 25x16 test results? Yes, that's the kind of resolution you'd expect a double card to be run on.

[bamtan2]

we already know 560 beats 6950.

at best they are equal. if you unlock and max out both chips, both clock speeds, you have 1000mhz 560 versus 6970, and the 6970 wins.

[cx-ray]

You are mistaking, totally. The high-end is all about the performance-crown. Price to performance applies to mainstream, and 560 has already secured this segment for nVidia.

That's why I think those dual GPU cards are mostly for window dressing. Two identical high-end cards always work better. Less hitching and better overall performance.

[\/icious]

You are mistaking, totally. The high-end is all about the performance-crown. Price to performance applies to mainstream, and 560 has already secured this segment for nVidia.

If AMD can't take the performance-crown against 2x560 or 2x570, (or 2x580 according to this unbelievable rumors) then they better don't resale the 6990. Because #2 doesn't count and doesn't sell in high-end.

Based on this logic, I personally think this 2x580 is probably just some fake rumors to scare and discourage AMD from releasing the 6990.

i think your missing the fact that the 5970 sold like hot cakes and the 580 is selling fast as well. If they dont go over 700 bucks it can easily steal market away from the 580 and anyone looking to sli lower end NV cards. Your also forget how well the 6900 series is scaling.

[Heinz68]

You think they will go out of business buy just hearing rumors? I don't think so, it should take a bit more than that, but rumors about a scary monster that could kill 6990 before release could probably make them think twice about releasing it.

I don't think that's entirely wood screws either, they had good time to replace some of wood screws after last years nasty delay.

Off course I was just kidding about the going out of business and wood screws, because some of your post are putting it nicely more suitable for some comedy club forum than XtremeSystems News Forums. So my reply was in the same fashion and sarcastic.

I mean how difficult it's to Google HD 6900? Instead of speculating.
Strange that even when I posted in me reply AMD's Matt Skynner, Corporate VP and General Manager showing the card with the news story link included, you keep repeating the same baloney speculation that AMD is going to be scared to release the card. Yes as I said before they are going to be so much scared that they will go out of business completely and that makes about the same sense.

There was no nasty delay or wood screws, unless Charlie confirms it.
The HD 6970 & 6950 was delayed for about 3 weeks. If you call it nasty than what would you call the GTX 380 delay?
It took over one year when it finally arrived as GTX 580 without the wood screws. But let me say it is an awesome card so maybe it was worth to wait for it.

The HD 6990 release was officialy changed by AMD from December last year to Q1 2011. The reason is very simple, the card is going to use bin chip same as the HD 5970 is using bined chip (by the way still the fastes card on the market). So there is not need for AMD to rush out the HD 6990.

It takes some time to built up some inventory with such chips. The HD 5970 was sold out on the first day when released.
I placed the order when the card was first listed but it was too late, was placed on waiting list and had to wait 3 weeks before I got the card. The shortage also created price gouging. The MSRP was $599 but the selling price was about $700.

Hope this time the same wont repeat.

[Sn0wm@n]

You think they will go out of business buy just hearing rumors? I don't think so, it should take a bit more than that, but rumors about a scary monster that could kill 6990 before release could probably make them think twice about releasing it.

I don't think that's entirely wood screws either, they had good time to replace some of wood screws after last years nasty delay.

are you for real???


wow ....


so you think that a company that had good success in the last couples of years with their current strategy could fear a product that isnt meant to produce more then 100k for that product alone ....



the real cash is in the oem deals and the cheap 50$ gpu range .... not anywhere else .. if amd fears something is the lack of contracts ... and the lack of those product being sold ... not the higher range of products ....


those high end parts exist only because they cater to a special clientele ... just like maybachs ... they dont want to sell 10 000 per year or whatever .. they just need 1000 at best ... and since maybach is owned by mercedes .. they have lower tiered options .. like the small B class .. or the C class and different varients of each class of cars ... so really its the same .. different products for different clientele ...


now how would a rolls royce scare maybach??? if in the end mercedes makes more money overall .. or gets more proffit for their investment ... you have to look at it this way ... their goal is to invest as less as possible while getting more proffit .. and i think amd knows a thing or two .. just like nvidia .. even if we disagree on some of their tactics .. the end result speak for themselves

[GoldenTiger]

single 580 cost $500, if this new card is even 1 fps faster, Nv will make you $$$ for it.

Yeah, I can only imagine how much these will cost... I think even $600-630 may be optimistic .

[Utnorris]

Anyone who called that card a GTX 590 didn't know what they were talking about. The card used 2x GTX 460.

This thread:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=evga

I don't really care if it's two GTX460's or GTX560's. If you can do Nvidia surround off of one card and it's under $500 then it's a win for me. Two GTX460's in SLI do quite well in Nvidia surround according to Hardocp testing over the last 6 months. This is where I think AMD has the upper hand, you can run Eyefinity off of one card and I wish Nvidia would do the same.

[Lanek]

Lol, Some peoples are really unreal, out of buisness, you know AMD is 1st in marketshare in front of Nvidia ( if we exclude Intel IGP ofc ) since more of 3 years consecutive (if not more ), why will you they go out of buisness ? AMD have sell 35M of DX11 GPU's last years, when Nvidia is far really far of it ( 500'000 on July 2010 , they are maybe now at 3-4millions)

[MaddMuppet]

Lol, Some peoples are really unreal, out of buisness, you know AMD is 1st in marketshare in front of Nvidia ( if we exclude Intel IGP ofc ) since more of 3 years consecutive (if not more ), why will you they go out of buisness ? AMD have sell 35M of DX11 GPU's last years, when Nvidia is far really far of it ( 500'000 on July 2010 , they are maybe now at 3-4millions)

I'm pretty sure the person who said this was only kidding. It's not like it is going to happen.

[PatRaceTin]

look like 580 SLi ?

[Sam_oslo]

Off course I was just kidding about the going out of business and wood screws, because some of your post are putting it nicely more suitable for some comedy club forum than XtremeSystems News Forums. So my reply was in the same fashion and sarcastic.

I mean how difficult it's to Google HD 6900? Instead of speculating.
Strange that even when I posted in me reply AMD's Matt Skynner, Corporate VP and General Manager showing the card with the news story link included, you keep repeating the same baloney speculation that AMD is going to be scared to release the card. Yes as I said before they are going to be so much scared that they will go out of business completely and that makes about the same sense.

There was no nasty delay or wood screws, unless Charlie confirms it.
The HD 6970 & 6950 was delayed for about 3 weeks. If you call it nasty than what would you call the GTX 380 delay?
It took over one year when it finally arrived as GTX 580 without the wood screws. But let me say it is an awesome card so maybe it was worth to wait for it.

The HD 6990 release was officialy changed by AMD from December last year to Q1 2011. The reason is very simple, the card is going to use bin chip same as the HD 5970 is using bined chip (by the way still the fastes card on the market). So there is not need for AMD to rush out the HD 6990.

It takes some time to built up some inventory with such chips. The HD 5970 was sold out on the first day when released.
I placed the order when the card was first listed but it was too late, was placed on waiting list and had to wait 3 weeks before I got the card. The shortage also created price gouging. The MSRP was $599 but the selling price was about $700.

Hope this time the same wont repeat.

First of all, don't repeat my lines with changing the meaning of it.

Are you saying it was a good move to delay the 6990? Got'a be a limit for what you can accept and defend, even as a hard core AMM fan.

I'm afraid the reason wasn't so simple as you are trying to explain. I said "AMD has chickened out" already last year when they announced that nasty delay. They had to go back to drowning board and make a "new" redesigned/re-freshed (or whatever you want to call it).

Now the big question is: can 6990 (which got redesigned/re-freshed before GTX560) still be competitive against nVidia's next double-GPU? I don't think so, because nVidia has several option to match/beat at right at the day of release.

That nasty delay has actually killed AMD's wild card, it can't do anything good any longer. You may mean otherwise, but the future comes fast enough.

[\/icious]

First of all, don't repeat my lines with changing the meaning of it.

Are you saying it was a good move to delay the 6990? Got'a be a limit for what you can accept and defend, even as a hard core AMM fan.

I'm afraid the reason wasn't so simple as you are trying to explain. I said "AMD has chickened out" already last year when they announced that nasty delay. They had to go back to drowning board and make a "new" redesigned/re-freshed (or whatever you want to call it).

Now the big question is: can 6990 (which got redesigned/re-freshed before GTX560) still be competitive against nVidia's next double-GPU? I don't think so, because nVidia has several option to match/beat at right at the day of release.

That nasty delay has actually killed AMD's wild card, it can't do anything good any longer. You may mean otherwise, but the future comes fast enough.

man if you worked for AMD you would be Nvidia's MVP for sure. 1st since when was it a shocker for something to be delayed. Happens all the time. Also if it only got pushed back a couple of months how is that enough time for a complete rehaul and distribution?

[Sam_oslo]

man if you worked for AMD you would be Nvidia's MVP for sure. 1st since when was it a shocker for something to be delayed. Happens all the time. Also if it only got pushed back a couple of months how is that enough time for a complete rehaul and distribution?

Putting stample on me doesn't prove your ppints. I was hoping you could use constrictive arguments for your claims. Did you run out of arguments?

I don't know what they did in that time, I think they went back to drawing board trying to beat 2X5xx. It doesn't matter what they did, but they have wasted valuable time. Back then they had a chance to take the performance-crown. I don't think they can do the same today.

This "new" 6990 seams to be a repatriation of the last "mistake". Last time they they tried to beat 480, and they did a good job too, but they got a big surprised by 580. This time they are facing 2x560 or 2x570 (or 2x580 according to this unbelievable rumors ), do you think they have a chance to #1? I personally think 2x560 would beat/match it, but nvidia has other options too. that nasty delay cost AMD alot.

[RaV666]

Putting stample on me doesn't prove your ppints. I was hoping you could use constrictive arguments for your claims. Did you run out of arguments?

I don't know what they did in that time, I think they went back to drawing board trying to beat 2X5xx. It doesn't matter what they did, but they have wasted valuable time. Back then they had a chance to take the performance-crown. I don't think they can do the same today.

This "new" 6990 seams to be a repatriation of the last "mistake". Last time they they tried to beat 480, and they did a good job too, but they got a big surprised by 580. This time they are facing 2x560 or 2x570 (or 2x580 according to this unbelievable rumors ), do you think they have a chance to #1? I personally think 2x560 would beat/match it, but nvidia has other options too. that nasty delay cost AMD alot.

It WILL BE NEW not "new" because they didnt make such card before,its not a rehash.
What was the last mistake ? or did ypu put it in commas because there wasnt any mistake ?
Last time they didnt try to beat a 480. becuase when 5970 launched, 480 wasnt there for 6 months.They beat themselves.
580 Was a suprise ,but not like it was unexpected that after a while nvidia will be able to deliver non-broken product.
2x560 wont beat it, because it doesnt beat 2x6950.
2x570 can match it but both companies are restrained by the 300W power limit,so it boils down to who has better performance per watt.

Seems like AMD has upper hand in this regard.
Of course nVidia can decide to go over the limit, but neither manufacturer has made reference design yet of this kind.
And before you say that 2x580 "will beat it for sure" ,remember that the same power constraint applies.
And as to the delay cost, for now, nothing, competition hasnt produced a two chip card either.And at this segment sales are relatively low.
No ,its not gonna bankrupt them.

[SKYMTL]

Not even 560? They're pretty late with that one...

GF104 and GF114 are pin for pin compatible. The only real difference in terms of overall design considerations between the two is that the GF114 needs improved thermal and PWM designs.

[\/icious]

Putting stample on me doesn't prove your ppints. I was hoping you could use constrictive arguments for your claims. Did you run out of arguments?

I don't know what they did in that time, I think they went back to drawing board trying to beat 2X5xx. It doesn't matter what they did, but they have wasted valuable time. Back then they had a chance to take the performance-crown. I don't think they can do the same today.

This "new" 6990 seams to be a repatriation of the last "mistake". Last time they they tried to beat 480, and they did a good job too, but they got a big surprised by 580. This time they are facing 2x560 or 2x570 (or 2x580 according to this unbelievable rumors ), do you think they have a chance to #1? I personally think 2x560 would beat/match it, but nvidia has other options too. that nasty delay cost AMD alot.

What you dont seem to understand is that the real crown goes to the one who hold more of the market. Sure the top performer would cast more shine on their products but in the end they want want more people buying their cards. If they worked off of your logic they would not have release the 6900 series. They hardly stand to profit off the 6900 series with its current pricing and why do you think it is they are selling them anyways? They arnt going to just bow out if their card doesnt smoke NV's and let them have the market if they can help it not to mention throwing away million/s in R&D. They will put the card out and price it according to sales and competition. Your agruement would fair a lot better if you gqve examples of this happening in the past especially considering how AMD has already shown this thing off

[Kristers Bensin]

According to this performance index, Nvidia needs to use above GTX 570 performance to "beat" a CF 6970, but here both cards use about the same power ( ~220W ), so it will be fun to se what comes out of all this

http://www.sweclockers.com/recension...ti/15#pagehead

[Kimofil]

If it will be downclocked 580 SLI, it would be great card.

[saaya]

looks like a photoshop to me... the packaging is way too close to the mounting holes of the pcb, and attempting to hide this by using a bad quality low res picture is pretty obvious...
there are pics of the actual card floating on the web already, its dual 460/560

dual 580 is not going to happen from nvidia
dual 570 is possible i guess, but look at perf/w and cost/perf for 560 vs 570 and youll see that dual 570 doesnt make sense
dual 560 is enough to rival the 6990 and is doable with a simple pcb, realistic TDP and consumption and realistic price as well

think about it, your nvidia, you managed to get a much better perf per watt chip out that is cheaper to make as well, are you going to use this for a dual gpu card which is limited by 1. heat and 2. cost, or do you use a chip thats running so hot it needed an expensive special new heatsink for its single gpu cards to cool them well enough without making them noisy, and costs more than an entire laptop or average pc...

[Gilgamesh]

According to this performance index, Nvidia needs to use above GTX 570 performance to "beat" a CF 6970, but here both cards use about the same power ( ~220W ), so it will be fun to se what comes out of all this

http://www.sweclockers.com/recension...ti/15#pagehead

+1

And I add this:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...ating_mit_aaaf


My best speculation is:
HD6990 - 2x1536 - 800Mhz - vgpu 1.00-1.05V - 2x2Gb @1350 - TDP 299W

GTX595 - 2x512 - 700Mhz - vgpu 0.95-1V - 2x1.5Gb @1000 - TDP 299W

And looking at performance above, GTX595 can win at 1920x1080 but at 2560x1600 or triple monitor, HD6990 will go up, imho.
If GTX595 its "only" 2xGf114 (800-850Mhz - 2x2Gb @1000), HD6990 will kill it easy at any resolutions.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...560-ti-sli/23/

[Kimofil]

+1

And I add this:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...ating_mit_aaaf


My best speculation is:
HD6990 - 2x1536 - 800Mhz - vgpu 1.00-1.05V - 2x2Gb @1350 - TDP 299W

GTX595 - 2x512 - 700Mhz - vgpu 0.95-1V - 2x1.5Gb @1000 - TDP 299W

And looking at performance above, GTX595 can win at 1920x1080 but at 2560x1600 or triple monitor, HD6990 will go up, imho.
If GTX595 its "only" 2xGf114 (800-850Mhz - 2x2Gb @1000), HD6990 will kill it easy at any resolutions.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...560-ti-sli/23/

I agree, it likely will be fight 580 SLI vs. 6970 CF (both downclocked). In this case i think 580 SLI wins easy. Need to looks at temps/noise level....

[ElSel10]

Except you forget one important thing : AMD has the single card performance crown with 5970. It's faster than 580 GTX. It's NVidia that's playing catchup ever since Evergreen launched.

There are two battles. One is fastest single GPU, one is fastest single card. It would be foolish to dismiss one over the other. When was the last time ATI/AMD had the fastest single GPU? Maybe X1950XTX? Even then though, it was by no means a landslide victory.

[LiquidReactor]

Source

PCB looks like the one Galaxy used in their dual GF100 prototype.