GTX 560 Coming soon!

[Manicdan]

To be honest, I don't know, and I don't care.
I don't think you know either, maybe you have heard from somebody somewhere. Then you repleted it until you believed it yourself.

Are you an engineer in nVidia'a R&D? Or are you directly involved in nVidias fabs? If not, how do you know? these guys keeps these stuff as a business secret.
Nowhere, nowhere you can see a official document that nVidia or AMD explain these stuff.

tell me how do got all these detail info about nVidia's biasness secret?

your taking the idea a little extreme,
finding the operating cost of a gpu is simply the cost of power consumption.
the future costs is determining if the card will drop quickly in price for if/when you plan to pick up a second, or if you plan to watercool it do you need a full cover block or will it do ok with a universal and some sinks on the vrms, or if you need to buy a deeper case because of the size, or more fans because it dumps air in the case instead of exhaust only.

i guess when you buy a car you only look at the horsepower and price, not how many doors it has (for when you have a family) or what the fuel mileage it gets, or how much the insurance cost is. same concept, different product.

[Sam_oslo]

your taking the idea a little extreme,
finding the operating cost of a gpu is simply the cost of power consumption.
the future costs is determining if the card will drop quickly in price for if/when you plan to pick up a second, or if you plan to watercool it do you need a full cover block or will it do ok with a universal and some sinks on the vrms, or if you need to buy a deeper case because of the size, or more fans because it dumps air in the case instead of exhaust only.

i guess when you buy a car you only look at the horsepower and price, not how many doors it has (for when you have a family) or what the fuel mileage it gets, or how much the insurance cost is. same concept, different product.

Maybe I've taken it a bit to the extrema, but I was trying to underline a important point.
Lets talk about what we all understand. All these die size, transistor counts, yield, is over my head. I don't understand what you are talking about, and i don't think you understand it either.

So lets get to the ground and talk about what we all understand. Price, performance, power-usage. benching, FPS, and such ...

[highoctane]

Nvidia would have to almost equal 6970 with 560 to be on the same level if you consider die size. GF104 (and GF114 presumably) is only slightly smaller than Cayman so cost per chip is about the same from a manufacturing point of view. In that sense Nvidia is still behind AMD, but GF114 will certainly bring them closer than what they were with GF104. And being close means more competition -> lower prices.

Its can also be assumed that given a die of equal size the one with less complexity such as less transistors could also be cheaper for yield reasons and actual production time even though raw base material costs are the same.

It's all semantics trying to argue the cost associated with a product for which no one in the argument has a firm grasp of actual production costs or whether there is different negotiated pricing between different companies.

At the end of the day you pay for the performance, whats under the heat spreader or how that performance is achieved is irrelevant to most.

[DilTech]

This isn't about the GTX 560 against the 6970; there's likely to be a $150 MSRP price difference between those two cards. The competition would be between the GTX560 and whatever AMD can actually manage to segment into that price bracket.

No matter how you look at it though, if it's true that when overclocked this thing can match or beat a GTX480, and can do so on a consistent basis, then for that price the winner is US...the consumer.

[Mungri]

I'll most likely have to ebay my 460s for a pair of these, but only if they are £175 or less. If not I'll wait for them to drop in price first.

I like the 1000 Mhz + overclocks and 384 shaders very much =D

[kaktus1907]

Zotac GTX 560 Ti



http://www.teknobiyotik.com/donanim/...ran-karti.html

339$ + Tax same as HD6950

[Pantsu]

At the end of the day you pay for the performance, whats under the heat spreader or how that performance is achieved is irrelevant to most.

People may feel that die size is irrelevant, but these things dictate the competitive landscape and the prices are dependant on that. While a GTX 460 is a superb card for the consumer, Nvidia probably wasn't too happy selling it for such a low price. It's their margins that drive the development further and so it is in our best interest in the long term that AMD and Nvidia have similar BoM for the same category of products. Of course we can't know what deals Nvidia or AMD have with TSMC or what are the total costs involved, but die size is probably the single biggest factor when considering the price of a GPU.

[highoctane]

People may feel that die size is irrelevant, but these things dictate the competitive landscape and the prices are dependant on that. While a GTX 460 is a superb card for the consumer, Nvidia probably wasn't too happy selling it for such a low price. It's their margins that drive the development further and so it is in our best interest in the long term that AMD and Nvidia have similar BoM for the same category of products. Of course we can't know what deals Nvidia or AMD have with TSMC or what are the total costs involved, but die size is probably the single biggest factor when considering the price of a GPU.

Considering Nvidia has managed to stay profitable all the while investing in R&D not just in consumer desktop/mobile video cards I would say worrying about their business sense is unwarranted.

There is too much emphasis on die size alone, its akin to saying AMD can't make any money with their low prices and die sizes compared to Intel, yet they've managed to return to sustained profitability in a depressed economy.

Sure die size has to play a role in cost but arguing the implications of that role is semantics.

[trinibwoy]

The operating and incidental costs of owning a graphics card are trivial. It's futile trying to spin them as important unless you have hard numbers. Given the cost of electricity you shouldn't be worrying about that unless you're on welfare.

With respect to transistor density nVidia and AMD count and use their transistors differently. One reason for the density difference could simply be physical constraints - running shaders at 1600Mhz isn't free. The scheduling and scoreboarding logic on nVidia chips is also much more complex and may not be high-density friendly. There's also been talk of AMD simply being better at semi-conductor design. In the end none of that matters to an end user of the product though.

[Lanek]

Yeah, 560 is the 3th in nVidias single-GPU line up (560> 570>580 line), and actually falls into mainstream, but AMD has chosen to use it's 2th GPU 6950 and "degrade" it to a 1GB-mainstream to fight it.

That's not a fare fight, LOL, and then AMD may even get the upper hand in performance (maybe, but we have to wait and see).
But even then, the mainstream-battle is not about performance-crown, it's all about price/performance.
The battle is going to be fought in price-arena, in this round.

If I'm not mistaking, nVidia is going to price this well, but nVidia shouldn't have a big problem to put a big blow on 275$, after all this their mainstream card. We have to wait and see how aggressive they will get, tho.

Im not right with you, a 6870 PCS+ (940mhz ) with actual driver completely destroy a HD5870 ( so largely faster of the 470 ), XFX release this month a 975mhz version of it .... As i don't see the 560 at 480 level ( so 570 level ), im not really sure you will see a bad fight allready between 560 & 6870 ... let's alone the 6950 1gb, the card will be largely covered between the new 6870's and the 69501gb.

[[XC] hipno650]

Im not right with you, a 6870 PCS+ (940mhz ) with actual driver completely destroy a HD5870 ( so largely faster of the 470 ), XFX release this month a 975mhz version of it .... As i don't see the 560 at 480 level ( so 570 level ), im not really sure you will see a bad fight allready between 560 & 6870 ... let's alone the 6950 1gb, the card will be largely covered between the new 6870's and the 69501gb.

I have owned and benched both a 6870 and a 5870 in the same system in a direct comparison and thats flat out wrong... the only thing i could get the 6870 to win in was Heaven extreme tess but a stock GTX 460 beat both of the 6870 and the 5870 anyways.

you also seem to forget the GTX 470 OCs MUCH MUCH better then a 5870 or 6870...

also did you not see the 3DMark11 numbers of the 1GHZ core where almost on par with a stock GTX 480 so if you can show me a bench were an OCed 6870 is any-ware near as fast as a GTX 480/570 then maybe I will believe you.

the biggest threat the GTX 560 will have will be the HD6950 1GB but I am willing to bet the 560 will be a decent bunch cheaper. IMO AMD will need to drop the 6870 to $200 or under. which would be totally awesome for everyone...

[Johnny87au]

That's how a little OC-monster should be turned into a big OC-monster A little extra voltage can do wonders.
I like that 1065 OC. Those shader @2130MHz will soon be running faster than my CPU.

If thats the case these would be great Physx card seeming as physx cards run better with more shaders then higher clock speeds, Yes its a bit OP for a physx card but just saying


@Sam-olso

The zotac h67 seems like a decent board for a H67 series, WIFI, HDMI 1.4a which supports blu-ray etc, But i dont see the point comparing these to AMD fusion/atom's.. Surely these use x3 tdp of the fusions..

[Skratch]

Guys no way is this 560 going to be under 300,This card is a power house and will sell like crazzy,I say newegg will have them for 300-350

[Johnny87au]

More screenys!

[highoctane]

Those are the same shots that where posted early on in the thread, same gtx 570 memory bus typo as well.

[Johnny87au]

Only one of them is.. Just adding more details for everyone.. Review will be up soon!

[highoctane]

Only one of them is.. Just adding more details for everyone.. Review will be up soon!

Well they have both been posted, post #1 & #82:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...95&postcount=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=82

Not knocking your efforts or anything but I simply recalled seeing these already.

[Parad0x]

http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=VC-M...0GTX-TI+TWIN+F

Seems like it's already selling in Canada

[Vardant]

So the MSRP is going to be $250-260? Sounds about right.

[Sam_oslo]

So the MSRP is going to be $250-260? Sounds about right.

Is it the final/official price?

I was just surfing to find some info that could dismiss that unbelievable "339$ + Tax same as HD6950" claim

The $250 is much better, but I'm still crossing fingers for less.

[Sam_oslo]

Here i captured one (before it disappears, LOL) 268 CAD

[SpuTnicK]

It says 1280MB

Zotac GTX 560 Ti

snip

http://www.teknobiyotik.com/donanim/...ran-karti.html
here
339$ + Tax same as HD6950

and here it says 320-bit bus and 170W TDP. Typos everywhere

[Sam_oslo]

It says 1280MB

LOL, yeah, that's either a typos, or maybe 560 is coming in different flowers.
1208MB sounds like a early-typos tho, but I wouldn't get surprised to see a 2048MB, soon or later.

[labs23]

Hmmm, saw this...GTX 560 Ti, SLI, 3DM11-X

[eXa]

IMO AMD will need to drop the 6870 to $200 or under. which would be totally awesome for everyone...

Thats what im waiting for