GTX 560 Coming soon!

[Sam_oslo]

You didn't hear that AMD & AMD will not want to cripple eyefinity again with only providing 1 GB cards.

Awake up.

AMD 6970/6950 CFX and NVIDIA 580/570 SLI Review

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/...0_sli_review/1

They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.

Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?

I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.

[Final8ty]

They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.

1)Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?

2)I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.

Your not making sense.

1) People who run very high res & eyefinty are people who would buy those expensive" 2GBs.


2) Again where has AMD said that they are going to drop 6970/50-2GB.
6970/50-1GB makes sense for people on lower resolution monitors & only offering expensive 6970/50-2GB is a total waste when there is a wide market to cover.

By your own views who's going to buy the more expensive GTX560-2GB when they can buy the cheaper GTX560-1GB.

You cant make 1 logic rule for one & another for the other that total contradict each others reasons.

[Sam_oslo]

Your not making sense.

1) People who run very high res & eyefinty are people who would buy those expensive" 2GBs.


2) Again where has AMD said that they are going to drop 6970/50-2GB.
6970/50-1GB makes sense for people on lower resolution monitors & only offering expensive 6970/50-2GB is a total waste when there is a wide market to cover.

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

[kadozer]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

Where did you get this info that 2gb cards will be eol? Link? Source?

[Final8ty]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

[Sam_oslo]

There is no tone & any tone is in your head.

And the need for 2GB is a need for 2GB no matter if its NV or ATI.

You have not provided any links to back up your claims of AMD dropping 2GB cards & you also ignore that some need 2GB of Vram period & 1GB is not an option for the setup they have no matter how much cheaper it is.

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

[Final8ty]

I don't think it's a good idea to compare GTX560 with those old 6970/50-2GB, because the price will more likely be much less, and pretty close to upcoming 6970/50-1GB.

1)Besides, those 6970/50-2GBs are EOL soon (if not already), because nobody would buy those "expensive" cards when upcoming "cheap" cards hits the marked.

EDIT:
The real fight will be between GTX560 and 6970/50-1GB, and SLI vs CFX of these. Probably including 6990 too.

2)They are going for 1GB cards!. That's a wrong move, and I've already complained extensively about it.

Yep, you are right, that would hurt eyefinity, but if rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then who would buy those "expensive" 2GBs?

3) I'm afraid that SLI vs CFX figures would change in nVidia's favor soon. Because AMD is going for 6970/50-1GBs for sure, and rumors says nVidia is going for GTX560-2GB. We have to wait and see the exact results, but I'm afraid you will soon wake up and find a new figure for SLI vs result.

4)I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

What do you mean by "no matter how much cheaper it is"? That's totally wrong, the price matters a lot, specially when you have to pay for more than one card. Would you explain your ideas about "no matter"-price?

1) Bad choice of word on your part.

2) A contradiction seeing as its the highres eyefinity people who would be buying the 2GB cards & what would you be complaining about when there has nearly always been 2 tiers of Vram at the mid & high end skus & further gave the impression that you had complained to AMD about dropping of 2GB versions .

3) Another contradiction in light of the context of your posts of people not wanting to pay more for 2GBs.

4) And that's what you should of said from the start but your still ignoring the need for 2GB of ram for high res & eyefinity & you have been told already that its the high res & eyefinity people that need it so that question of who is null.

[zalbard]

I didn't say AMD is dropping 2GBs. I said, if the rumors about low-price 1GBs is true, then nobody would buy those "expensive" 2GBs. They will practically be dead/EOL. please don't change my lines, then i have to repeat myself, unnecessarily.

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

[Sam_oslo]

Why would they EOL their high-end cards in favour of mid-range ones? That just doesn't make sense. 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios.

You nailed right on the problem, yep 6970 is AMD's high-end card, but tell me, why is this card fighting in mainstream now?

The way I look at it, AMD has chosen to "degrade" it to 1GB to make it cheaper to fight in mainstream.

Yeah, 2GB gives decent gains in many scenarios, but based on current info/rumors, it will probably be too expensive to justify those "gains", soon. Both compared to AMD's own 1GB-prices and nVidia upcoming 560, or good price-cut on 570, or maybe other new GPU too.


If nVidia goes for a aggressive move in mainstream, which I believe they both can do and will do, then AMD has to sell the 1GB really cheap to compete. That will be the end of life for 2GB. The price-gap will get too big to justify those "gains", unless AMD drops the price on 2GB too, that will again affect 1GB-prices, in circle.

The way I look at it, AMD has already killed 2GB, practically, but all this will depend on how aggressive nVidia will get in this round.

[Johnny87au]

You don't need to take that tone in every comment, but maybe you lack the ability to make sense of it? You see, other can take tone too, but lets keep it civilized.
It shouldn't need more explanation, but maybe I have to explain for you.

Based on the current info/rumors the price of 6970/50-1GBs in CFX would be ~30-40% less than 6970/50-2GBs, and probably eve less for GTX560 SLI. Do you think people are fool to pay that much extra to get 2GBs? You see, the price plays a big role, specially when you have to pay for 2 cards!

AMD's 1GB-move has already killed those 2GBs, and 560 will come on top of that and make sure that nobody buys those 2GBs for almost double-price, ruffly.

IIRC 50-60$ cheaper..

[Sam_oslo]

IIRC 50-60$ cheaper..

I've seen that too, but some have been suggesting much cheaper too. But the biggest "enemy" would be nVidia prices on GTX560. Plus, maybe a good price-cut on 570, or even a new cheap 565 (or something similar?). In any case, those "old" 6970/50-2GB are going to be too expensive to survive the upcoming price-war.

Nobody would pay these 6970/50-2GB prices when the next wave hits the marked soon. They will practically dead/EOL, in my opinionated.

[Johnny87au]

I've seen that too, but some have been suggesting much cheaper too. But the biggest "enemy" would be nVidia prices on GTX560. Plus, maybe a good price-cut on 570, or even a new cheap 565 (or something similar?). In any case, those "old" 6970/50-2GB are going to be too expensive to survive the upcoming price-war.

Nobody would pay these 6970/50-2GB prices when the next wave hits the marked soon. They will practically dead/EOL, in my opinionated.

Well thats somewhat true but i dont think they will be dead as people who have eyefinity setups will prefer the 2gb revisions.. The 460s still go for around $210 for the msi hawx on newegg, 560$ should be around $290 ? Just a guess but should be pretty close seeming as the 570 is $360.. Wonder if the 1gb cards will still be able to be flashed..

[Lanek]

@Sam_Oslo...
Why will you they EOL them ? Peoples who want the 2gb version will buy the 2gb version and the ultra cheap 1gb version will sell a lot ( whatever is the perf of 560 ) ( i suspect lower will be the price of 1gb version, faster we will see a drop on 2gb version then ).... the cores are same, only the amount of ram will vary... ( PCB is another story as rev2 PCB have been shown with HIS and gigabyte boards ) .... the bigger production cost is the core, and so whatever they sell well or not, this will allow AMD to play on 2 prices point without any worries ....

The only one i see who will maybe disapear on official AMD, is the 6950 2gb and will just be continued by some AIB in low quantity ( it don't really make a lot of sense to get 6950 1gb - 6970 1gb and the 6950 2gb )