I wanna see some Sandy Bridge Results

[terramir]

got a question any of the cheaper sandy-bridge mobo's support windows xp? and over-clocking? this would be for business computers and servers for them as well, I'm thinking make some new possibillities open up, but I dun want to load the cost of win7 on top of that.
terramir

[trn]

If the question is for me, I have neither board nor CPU. But I have both ASUS and Gigabyte crunchers. They each have their pluses and minuses. Legit Reviews tested the ASUS P867 (non-PRO). It's priced about the same as the UD3P and overclocked very well. Plus, it has UEFI. It's probably the board I will get. I say "probably" because I have to visit Fry's tomorrow to see if it's in stock.

The Deluxe board overclocked about the same and costs more. You're basically paying for more bells and whistles. The board I get doesn't need SLI or much of anything else. I will probably use an Ebay-bought VGA card which will consume next to no power.

The UD3P is probably a nicer-looking board. But I really don't care what the board I get looks like, as long as it crunches well.

One item not considered is Giga's customer service and presence on the forum (they were even nice enough to donate some boards to the team before.) When I was having issues with my A0 westmeres over clocking on a UD3 I was able to post about it here and send a PM and a in a few days I got a link for a beta bios that has worked great. That won me over, I would rather have the P67-UD3 (I have about 14 or so GB x58s ) anyday which looks like an excellent cruncher board and the UD5 and UD7 being the best of the best in a high featured board

[terramir]

One item not considered is Giga's customer service and presence on the forum (they were even nice enough to donate some boards to the team before.) When I was having issues with my A0 westmeres over clocking on a UD3 I was able to post about it here and send a PM and a in a few days I got a link for a beta bios that has worked great. That won me over, I would rather have the P67-UD3 (I have about 14 or so GB x58s ) anyday which looks like an excellent cruncher board and the UD5 and UD7 being the best of the best in a high featured board

Hey trn, are you gonna work on getting 200k ppd for next year, I mean with sandybridge you could even save some electricity and almost double your output the team could sure use it if were ever gonna catch up with team2ch


terramir

[sierra_bound]

One item not considered is Giga's customer service and presence on the forum (they were even nice enough to donate some boards to the team before.) When I was having issues with my A0 westmeres over clocking on a UD3 I was able to post about it here and send a PM and a in a few days I got a link for a beta bios that has worked great. That won me over, I would rather have the P67-UD3 (I have about 14 or so GB x58s ) anyday which looks like an excellent cruncher board and the UD5 and UD7 being the best of the best in a high featured board

I've heard mixed things about Gigabyte support. You may recall another team member, johnmark, had big problems with his board. I didn't see anyone from Gigabyte offering him any assistance here.

I think you misunderstood my post. My main system uses a Gigabyte X58 board. I have three ASUS crunchers, two by Gigabyte and one by Supermicro. I've always been partial to ASUS. I had one ASUS cruncher that ran non-stop for almost four years. The Supermicro board has been equally dependable. I also had an EVGA board that almost everyone at this forum declared to be a piece of crap run non-stop for three years. I'm not married to any one board-maker. Even ASUS has made crap boards. But they also made a lot of boards that were used to set world records.

[trn]

Hey trn, are you gonna work on getting 200k ppd for next year, I mean with sandybridge you could even save some electricity and almost double your output the team could sure use it if were ever gonna catch up with team2ch


terramir

Maybe 2012 or late 2011, I'll get a SB or two to play with in the meantime I think ill convert my main rig to a 2600k and put that 980x out to crunching pasture.

The current SBs are great rigs but I'm a little unexcited by the long delay in the high end SB, I want more crunching power than a Gulftown/Westmere. For Intel it was a great decision to focus on the 4c and 2c models because at this time who really needs 8c or 16c rigs? (besides us ). Games and such don't need the cores and windows and IE will run fine on much less.

100k takes 16 hexas and some change, not really looking to double+ that number of rigs. where would I sleep? my house would be overrun with crunchers . If a 4c/8t 32nm does 6k or so boinc then I can't wait to see what a 22nm "Tock" Ivy Bridge monster will do with 8c or 12c. I would settle for a 8c/16t SB in the meantime, 12k for a single socket... And a dualie

I've heard mixed things about Gigabyte support. You may recall another team member, johnmark, had big problems with his board. I didn't see anyone from Gigabyte offering him any assistance here.

I think you misunderstood my post. My main system uses a Gigabyte X58 board. I have three ASUS crunchers, two by Gigabyte and one by Supermicro. I've always been partial to ASUS. I had one ASUS cruncher that ran non-stop for almost four years. The Supermicro board has been equally dependable. I also had an EVGA board that almost everyone at this forum declared to be a piece of crap run non-stop for three years. I'm not married to any one board-maker. Even ASUS has made crap boards. But they also made a lot of boards that were used to set world records.

Tech loyalties can be a bit silly but I still have mine based on my own experiences, as always YMMV And come to think of it I've never really had a terrible mobo, I do have one board from a manufacturer that refuses to OC the 980x in it past 4GHz, and that mediocre board did cost more than a UD3

Another random thought, why no EVGA P67's? Did I miss some sort of news about EVGA not making mobos anymore? Edit nm, http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/ they just are late to launch it seems.

I do have a question regarding the Asus P67's. Why is the Intel nic considered an advantage vs Realtek, is there really that much of a difference in the nic?

[Fhqwhgads6680]

Another random thought, why no EVGA P67's? Did I miss some sort of news about EVGA not making mobos anymore? Edit nm, http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/ they just are late to launch it seems.

I do have a question regarding the Asus P67's. Why is the Intel nic considered an advantage vs Realtek, is there really that much of a difference in the nic?

EVGA as far as I know do very little outside of nvidia chipsets, or are just late to launch.

As for Intel NIC's, they are generally considered about the best out there, among broadcom and a few others. They can do much more networking wise than realtek, which are fine for desktops, but you'll never see them in servers or highly available platforms. Intel's can do teaming, dual nic redundancy etc and are generally tanks, they rarely have issues or drop packets etc.

[sierra_bound]

Tech loyalties can be a bit silly but I still have mine based on my own experiences, as always YMMV And come to think of it I've never really had a terrible mobo, I do have one board from a manufacturer that refuses to OC the 980x in it past 4GHz, and that mediocre board did cost more than a UD3

Another random thought, why no EVGA P67's? Did I miss some sort of news about EVGA not making mobos anymore? Edit nm, http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/ they just are late to launch it seems.

I do have a question regarding the Asus P67's. Why is the Intel nic considered an advantage vs Realtek, is there really that much of a difference in the nic?

EVGA has a full line of P67 boards. They've just not been released yet.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/

As I mentioned in another thread, the one thing I like about the ASUS boards is that they use UEFI. This is the future. The traditional BIOS which is something like 25 years old now, is on its way out finally. It's somewhat embarrassing because Intel developed EFI awhile back and Apple adopted it long before any of the big name Intel board makers.

[Fhqwhgads6680]

As I mentioned in another thread, the one thing I like about the ASUS boards is that they use UEFI. This is the future. The traditional BIOS which is something like 25 years old now, is on its way out finally. It's somewhat embarrassing because Intel developed EFI awhile back and Apple adopted it long before any of the big name Intel board makers.

I saw that the asrock p67 board for $150 also uses UEFI. I haven't done much research to learn the changes etc. That board seems to pack alot of freatures for $150... Its the board I am eying for the moment, Although the UD3 is basically $100 at microcenter right now if you get a 2500K. $280 for a 2500k AND UD3... not bad at all..

So does can the P67 overclock the standard 2600? If so that may be the way to go for crunchers, may not get the last few hundred mhz but will have about $30 towards the next cruncher.

[Johnny87au]

I saw that the asrock p67 board for $150 also uses UEFI. I haven't done much research to learn the changes etc. That board seems to pack alot of freatures for $150... Its the board I am eying for the moment, Although the UD3 is basically $100 at microcenter right now if you get a 2500K. $280 for a 2500k AND UD3... not bad at all..

So does can the P67 overclock the standard 2600? If so that may be the way to go for crunchers, may not get the last few hundred mhz but will have about $30 towards the next cruncher.

Unfortunately only the K series have the unlocked multiplier.. the plain 2600 cant really overclock, well if you call 107 blck overclocking

[terramir]

Unfortunately only the K series have the unlocked multiplier.. the plain 2600 cant really overclock, well if you call 107 blck overclocking

107 from 100 right? why is the limit 107, is that a fixed limit or is that a chipset silicone limitation? 107x 34= 3638 that would be lower that the turbo boost frequency so intel really did a number on us, charging us extra to OC, too bad amd is just not the way to go for a darwin fanboi
Also other question what about using the on-die graphics, if I get a 2600k and up the multi could I still use the onboard graphics? cause I dun really game all that much anymore on my PC, my gaming is limited to a sony psp mostly.
would be cool to have a pc that uses less than 220w for the socket (140 from the rig and the rest from the tec cooling I use
but I just did some calculations and well sandy bridge unless they find some tweaking options would be limited to 107 x 57 (max clock) which is 6099 mhz. That's not exactly a WR. Heck I better start saving cause considering the sandy bridge processors are supposed to give ya 9.6 PPD/Mhz (according to movieman's tests) with a k @ let's say 4.5ghz that would be 43k that would be almost double of what I'm getting with a yorkfield @ 4ghz (would try for more, but I need to WC my tec's first
Anyways, by summer I want a sandy bridge
terramir

[Jaco]

I think the chipset can't handle more BCLK; but don't quote me on that.
New chipset Z68 will probably allow more overclocking .

[trn]

I also thought that P67 unlocks higher turbo multipliers than a H67 allowing for some over clocking of a non-K chip?

[OldChap]

Don't know about other makes but the asus p67 range all seem to have an auto overclock feature ....select and come back in a few minutes to an automatic 4.4-4.8 (bios and cpu dependent) overclock.... now with bios updates coming thick and fast in the beginning maybe this would be useful to some.

[Johnny87au]

107 from 100 right? why is the limit 107, is that a fixed limit or is that a chipset silicone limitation? 107x 34= 3638 that would be lower that the turbo boost frequency so intel really did a number on us, charging us extra to OC, too bad amd is just not the way to go for a darwin fanboi
Also other question what about using the on-die graphics, if I get a 2600k and up the multi could I still use the onboard graphics? cause I dun really game all that much anymore on my PC, my gaming is limited to a sony psp mostly.
would be cool to have a pc that uses less than 220w for the socket (140 from the rig and the rest from the tec cooling I use
but I just did some calculations and well sandy bridge unless they find some tweaking options would be limited to 107 x 57 (max clock) which is 6099 mhz. That's not exactly a WR. Heck I better start saving cause considering the sandy bridge processors are supposed to give ya 9.6 PPD/Mhz (according to movieman's tests) with a k @ let's say 4.5ghz that would be 43k that would be almost double of what I'm getting with a yorkfield @ 4ghz (would try for more, but I need to WC my tec's first
Anyways, by summer I want a sandy bridge
terramir

K = overclocking = p67 chipset = no integrated gpu , h67= IGP

[terramir]

K = overclocking = p67 chipset = no integrated gpu , h67= IGP

I thought the gpu is on the die of the cpu? why would they add an igp on the h67? I dun get all this does that mean with a p67 board you can't use the integrated on die video? or does that mean you dun have to use it with the h67 set, because you have in on the board as well :S
I know K has an unlocked multi and I also know that it's limited to 57 so unless you get a zborad you'll be limited to 6.1 ghz 107x57 well 6099
anyway someone clear this up
terramir

[Johnny87au]

I thought the gpu is on the die of the cpu? why would they add an igp on the h67? I dun get all this does that mean with a p67 board you can't use the integrated on die video? or does that mean you dun have to use it with the h67 set, because you have in on the board as well :S
I know K has an unlocked multi and I also know that it's limited to 57 so unless you get a zborad you'll be limited to 6.1 ghz 107x57 well 6099
anyway someone clear this up
terramir

yes its on the Die but its disabled using the p67 board, even if u disable your current PCIE card, Can only use the IGP with a Intel or any H67 series boards.. So you have 2 choices buy a p67 which has the ability to overclock or pick a h67 for IGP use..

[terramir]

yes its on the Die but its disabled using the p67 board, even if u disable your current PCIE card, Can only use the IGP with a Intel or any H67 series boards.. So you have 2 choices buy a p67 which has the ability to overclock or pick a h67 for IGP use..

wait a minute so you can't use the unlocked multi in the h67 boards:S what's the point in that
terramir

[Johnny87au]

wait a minute so you can't use the unlocked multi in the h67 boards:S what's the point in that
terramir

2 different boards used for 2 different purposes..

[terramir]

2 different boards used for 2 different purposes..

Actually when I read the product brief of the h67 vs the p67 there is no mention of the over-clocking restricted on the h67 at least not the multiplier kind,
I dunno but the only differences is the availability of 2 pci-e 16 slots @ 8x vs one in the H67 and the video being available on the h67. So I dunno, intel mentions nothing about the oc being restricted
I'll have to dig in this a little more
terramir

[retro77]

When trying to sell a product, you don't say what it won't do...

[Movieman]

When trying to sell a product, you don't say what it won't do...

best comment in this thread and siggable!

[terramir]

When trying to sell a product, you don't say what it won't do...

best comment in this thread and siggable!

I concur on that, however that limitation if not disclosed can get intel sued, because it says on their sheet that over-clocking is possible with unlocked processors
My
terramir

[Johnny87au]

Actually when I read the product brief of the h67 vs the p67 there is no mention of the over-clocking restricted on the h67 at least not the multiplier kind,
I dunno but the only differences is the availability of 2 pci-e 16 slots @ 8x vs one in the H67 and the video being available on the h67. So I dunno, intel mentions nothing about the oc being restricted
I'll have to dig in this a little more
terramir

No overclocking at all on the H67 unfortunately, I cant find the link but anand tested it, even clocking the blck a bit is full restricted..

When trying to sell a product, you don't say what it won't do...

lol dam straight, tricks of the trade

[D_A]

They may have done that if the on die GPU can't tolerate being overclocked. It would have been good to say something about that, rather than face the nerd rage of a million early-adopting overclockers.

[terramir]

No overclocking at all on the H67 unfortunately, I cant find the link but anand tested it, even clocking the blck a bit is full restricted..



lol dam straight, tricks of the trade

Hmmm that's wierd because the bios in the H67 board from intel, provides OC options BLCk as well as multiplier (you can adjust it and in an unlocked your supposed to be able to adjust it up,

They may have done that if the on die GPU can't tolerate being overclocked. It would have been good to say something about that, rather than face the nerd rage of a million early-adopting overclockers.

As for the gpu not being able to handle it it got a seperate multiplier so that wouldn't be the problem
terramir