Bulldoze that Sandy Bridge

[ScottALot]

Sandy Bridge is coming out, but in my mind it doesn't really compare to what I've been hearing about Bulldozer, which will be farther in the future. I don't see AMD passing Intel up, but they do seem to be more well-rounded in that you're getting what you pay for, not paying a premium because it's new. I do know what the internals of these chips means for performance, I just find it hard to put it into conversation.

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So to start this off... has anyone heard anything about Bulldozer pricing? Will it be similar to Phenom's pricing? What about AM3+?

[PatRaceTin]

no idea for the price

[Nintendork]

My guess for Zambesi 8 core: $200-400 "low" to "high" speed.

[Sn0wm@n]

My guess for Zambesi 8 core: $200-400 "low" to "high" speed.

seriously??? if bulldozer is as good as amd sugest why would they price their upmost high end model this low ... id say depending on the model it would cost around 500$ or so .. and some lower binned model in the 400 range .. and the later 6 and 4cores version will be more affordable of course due to smaller die size of course

but if indeed they do price it at this very low price its full of win for us

[imamage]

For me , I am more concern about lack of news with AM3+ mainboard
I don't see news about releasing AM3+ board (with AMD 9-series / 880G chipset )

I afraid if there aren't board out there earlier (Intel did get a head start with P67/H67 board available before the launch)
Processor without a board to boot up it's useless
Maybe ASUS / Gigabyte are working on tweaking up the BIOS

But lack of AMD 9-series / Socket AM3+ board news kinda worries me

[Sn0wm@n]

For me , I am more concern about lack of news with AM3+ mainboard
I don't see news about releasing AM3+ board (with AMD 9-series / 880G chipset )

I afraid if there aren't board out there earlier (Intel did get a head start with P67/H67 board available before the launch)
Processor without a board to boot up it's useless
Maybe ASUS / Gigabyte are working on tweaking up the BIOS

But lack of AMD 9-series / Socket AM3+ board news kinda worries me

isnt there some sort of computer hardware convention soon???? is it possible that board partners would most likely start to slowly introduce their board just before bulldozer comes in ...


i mean it would be pretty dumb from amd to not have board partners ready for when bulldozer is launched .... so why all the worry???

[Movieman]

Lots of us are waiting to see what these beasties will do.

[keithlm]

I afraid if there aren't board out there earlier

The motherboard makers could probably release AM3+ boards very soon, but they probably want to wait until the last minute to make sure that AMD doesn't make any last minute changes to the socket specification. (At least not something that can't be fixed with a bios update. There were some major problems with the earliest AM2+ boards that could never be fixed; anybody that bought the earlier boards were basically out of luck.)

I agree that these AM3+ boards should become available soon. But since I bought one of the earlier AM2+ boards I ended up having to buy a newer board. So I would personally probably wait a bit longer even after they are released. I don't want to go through that again.

The fact that the new AM3+ boards will support the current AM3 processors is a HUGE bonus because people can buy a new board as soon as they do become available. It would be very cool if these newer boards actually provide better performance with already existing chips. (Perhaps a higher clock.)

It is very nice that AMD renamed the socket; they could have continued to call the new boards "AM3" and just required people to look up supported CPU compatibility on the motherboard makers website. This is much more confusing, but would be similar to what was done with older sockets such as the LGA775 boards.

[[XC] Oj101]

Lots of us are waiting to see what these beasties will do.

Myself included, Sandy Bridge was nice but no fun to clock

[zenix]

AMD is becoming more the enthusiast brand, you can unlock the most processors and recently you can even unlock there graphics cards! What more do you want? Everyone likes free performance with a good price ratio.
Intel on the other side is limiting overclocking more with sandy bridge, that's too bad. I am also eager to see what bulldozer is capable of.

[Tomasis]

they need release am3+ pretty soon. i want play with mobo before bulldozer comes.. cmon

[FlanK3r]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/rumour-a...zer/10575.html

Awesome!!!

[zalbard]

For me , I am more concern about lack of news with AM3+ mainboard
I don't see news about releasing AM3+ board (with AMD 9-series / 880G chipset )

One word. NDA.

[ASharp]

One word. NDA.

Well technically that's three letters or if you expand it, three words. Though I guess non-disclosure is one word so NDA would technically be two words.

In any case, can't wait for Bulldozer to show up. Hopefully it won't be too much longer. Sandy Bridge is already rearing its head in a few stores.

[Ket]

For now, I'll stick to my under optimistic view of not making any BD predictions. I'd much rather ignore all the hype and look at performance once BD is actually here.

[demonkevy666]

For now, I'll stick to my under optimistic view of not making any BD predictions. I'd much rather ignore all the hype and look at performance once BD is actually here.

hype ? where ? everyone thinks Nehalem type IPC, and nothing more. or that it will be 10% slower then sandy bridge.

[ChanceCoats123]

Let's all remember that Am3 chips are backwards compatible with Am2+ boards. I doubt, after seeing previous business tactics, that Amd would just change the sockets completely in the way that intel does with every new chip released.

I've been wrong before though.

[ScottALot]

One word. NDA.

That's really good news, actually! Really hyped up to hear you when you finally get to blurt it out.

[Johnny87au]

One word. NDA.

Couldnt agree more, Gonna be the same as there 69xx cards.. Top secret

[Ket]

hype ? where ? everyone thinks Nehalem type IPC, and nothing more. or that it will be 10% slower then sandy bridge.

The hype is all around in threads like this, articles looking at the BD architecture and drawing presumptious conclusions before the tech is even launched, etc. Seems to be people expect BD to perform very similar to SB for much less. I'll get excited whn theres real numbers to back those predictions and assumptions up.

[Sam_oslo]

Lets hope AMD can finally get the finger out and compete in high-end, it will result in cheaper CPU in both camps.

Intel is selling 200k in ~300$ price-range. This kind of price is unheard for an unlocked chip, but it's cheap because AMD can compete in mainstream.

AMD needs to compete in high-end, and Bulldoze the 6-core. Bulldozing the mainstream SB is not a big deal, and won't help to reduce the real CPU-prices in high-end .

[Origin_Unknown]

I'm really looking forward to these being released - I'd love to move back to AMD.

[ScottALot]

I kinda noticed their new organization using two cores to work on each thread is like hyper-threading, but should be more effective because there are two physical cores.

[ChanceCoats123]

Defintely. The way I understand now, the HT only works when there is a cache miss... With the two physical cores, much more work should be done because it won't be waiting for a cache miss, it will just be working.

[Panther_Seraphi]

If i understand it wont be as efficent as two 'real' cores but instead of the 20% performance gain that HT gives intel with 20% more die space, AMD is hoping for more around 60-80% performance but with only around 40% increase in die space.


The front end on all chips is the lightest area used so hopefully by sharing it between core it will benefit performance/mm2.