AMD to start Bulldozer AM3+ production by March 2011, launch in April 2011

[ajaidev]

Sandybridge that's out right now should be compared to Bobcat.

huh

Maybe true in ULV field but not so in portable or desktop. In ULV the Intel SB's will have more CPU power but lack IGP punch of a Zacate in most case "Even if the SB's are with 12 EU's they will be on a diet"

[ohnoitseddy]

a roadmap doesn't change just like that, sure there might be a push-pull from a certain part but mainly they stay the same for several months unless they have some severe issues. So no they are not outdated, those roadmaps are fixed for 2-3months, they don't change every week, expect a new update early januari.

There's a difference between public and confidential information, quite a huge one at that. Public information is almost like a promise, while confidential information is only an estimate to help partners anticipate the coming of a new product. Confidential information is much more likely to change - granted, not just like that, but you definitely can't pin AMD down on it as this info isn't meant as such a promise.

And, again, it's about IP, not launch! I believe IP stands for "Industrial Production" (or otherwise 'initial production'), which indicates when they start producing. CPUs aren't done in a couple of hours, they need a couple of runs through the fab, then they need packaging (which is probably done at a completely different location), then distribution, the reviewers need some time... Then AMD still needs to approve launch. Expect May at the very earliest - if these slides are still up to date (and also not fake), that is.

[mutantmagnet]

Please tell me you are not serious here... These 2 are made for 2 different segments.Zacate(since Bobcat is just a x86 core isnide it) is a tiny chip compared to SB.Just because both have CPU+IGP doesn't mean they fit in the same product or price segment. Llano is SB's competitor in mainstream desktop and notebook segments.
8C Bulldozer is SB 6/8 core competitor in high performance/enthusiast segment.

Right.. and the Sandybridge that exist now isn't meant for the performance/enthusiast segment which Bulldozer is going to cover. That's my point and not mentioning Llano along with Bobcat shouldn't have thrown you off.

Underwhelming in what way? The specs seem reasonable to me and i'm looking forward to iommu support. Should give VMs a good performance boost.

Iommu was the only thing I didn't know the exact details of when I made my statement. After some preliminary research that is something I'm actually excited for and see as an important feature being implemented. Everything else didn't impress me.

[FlanK3r]

With SB 4 core, and don't see why Zambesi can't be on his level or even surpass it. SB 8 core will be faster, and more expensive, same as 980X vs X6.

SB 4 core is slower than current i7 six-core, there are no core increase just a bit more ipc and other tweaks. From Thuban --> Zambesi we have core increase, ipc, more cache, new memory controller, updated optimizations (SSE4.1-4.2 which benefit i7 in some programs over the X6 such as the adobe suite, and also AVX -available for both intel&amd-).

Maybe that's a reason why people are not too impressed with sb launch (they wanted 6-8 core version from the get go).

Whats more important, SB with 8 cores will be not relase (its latest info what I have)...


Zambezi in April/May is think really possible and good point for AMD. Look here SB 2500k in CInebench-AIRcooled, its dangerous score.

[PatRaceTin]

would it delay again

[Oliverda]

rather in may

[FlanK3r]

dont panic, AMD is last year stroneger and stronger. Really think, Zambezi will leader with Gulftowns in multithreading - in 2011 year

[QuadDamage]

wow Bulldozer... I first heard of Bulldozer when i was a little kid. I always thought DNF would be released before Bulldozer, i was wrong apparently.

[informal]

BD codename was mentioned,for the first time, in 2007 so you couldn't possibly hear it when you were a kid(or maybe you could,are you a kid now ?)
BD on 45nm was scheduled for late 2009 but was canceled. This BD version,done on 32nm and scheduled for Q2 2011,is much improved design based on the first(canceled) version. So a delay is 1.5 years or so,from late 2009 to early 2011. I can't see any DNF theme in BD development,at all.

[Johnny87au]

Zambezi 8 cores have a release date, What about 8 Core SB's? All we hear about is 1155.. Anything?

[zerazax]

Zambezi 8 cores have a release date, What about 8 Core SB's? All we hear about is 1155.. Anything?

September supposedly?

[Sn0wm@n]

September supposedly?

so late after zambezzi ???

[xlimit]

No 8 cores SB for 1155, it's only for 2 cores and 4 cores
It's only for 1356 with 6 cores and 8 cores for Extreme Edition

[zerazax]

so late after zambezzi ???

Q3 2011 apparently

[Sn0wm@n]

Q3 2011 apparently

september it is then

[Johnny87au]

No 8 cores SB for 1155, it's only for 2 cores and 4 cores
It's only for 1356 with 6 cores and 8 cores for Extreme Edition

From what i herd they ditched 1356 and moving on with LGA2011

[MAS]

six-, octal-core SB - socket 2011 only (autumn 2011)

1366 has no future

[Johnny87au]

Has no future? They're releasing the 990x surely cant be that bad.. No reviews or tests as with the LGA2011..

[EagleRock]

what price range will Zambezi 8 cores be? around 600$ maybe ?

[Kristers Bensin]

six-, octal-core SB - socket 2011 only (autumn 2011)

1366 has no future

1356/66 has a future, theres nothing wrong with the socket. Instead LGA 2011 is just a rumor, and its been rumors about LGA2011 will come with ivy bridge in 2012. Theres also been rumors about SB with 4-8 cores will use 1356/66 socket. NOTHINGS written in stone, its all rumors.

what price range will Zambezi 8 cores be? around 600$ maybe ?

I would say where or a little above where 1090T is today. Bulldozer is a very compact chip and the 8 core model will prolly be smaller then todays phenom II X4 and just a bit bigger then SB with 4 cores.

[MAS]

1356/66 has a future, theres nothing wrong with the socket.

who will buy expensive 1366 mobo and slow 1366 cpu after SB launch?

for instance, i930 + X58 mobo have the same price as 2600K + 1155 mobo. Plus in soc.1366 case you have to buy 50 per cent more memory

[FlanK3r]

no...SB is only 1155 LGA...At 4Q 2011 or 1Q 2012 we will see new LGA 2011 with IB CPUs...Its a bit change...
AND NOW BACK TO BULLDOZER CHIP .

[Hornet331]

no...SB is only 1155 LGA...At 4Q 2011 or 1Q 2012 we will see new LGA 2011 with IB CPUs...Its a bit change...
AND NOW BACK TO BULLDOZER CHIP .

No ivybrdige will come first for S1155, S2011 will get SB. Its the same as it was with nehalem/westmere. The only difference is, that this time consumer products are released first and servers come later.

[BrowncoatGR]

No ivybrdige will come first for S1155, S2011 will get SB. Its the same as it was with nehalem/westmere. The only difference is, that this time consumer products are released first and servers come later.

Well servers and high end desktop. I guess with BD being more or less an unknown it made sense for Intel to play it safe and give themselves time to adjust their strategy if BD turns out better than expected. Anyone know if S2011 will have IOMMU support?

[-Sweeper_]

no...SB is only 1155 LGA...At 4Q 2011 or 1Q 2012 we will see new LGA 2011 with IB CPUs...Its a bit change...
AND NOW BACK TO BULLDOZER CHIP .

well, check your sources again, many people already have 6c & 8c SB LGA2011 engineer samples