AMD Radeon HD6950/6970(Cayman) Reviews

[dartaz]

It gives decent preliminary info.
Nice tessellation improvements, but not enough to catch up with Fermi. Good pricing. Outperforming GTX570 by 10-20% at high resolutions or when AA+AF are enabled.

No, it doesn't, or Maybe in very few cases

Looking at anandtech review, GTX 570 performed better in 4 out of the 10 games they tested at 2560x1600

HD6970 performed better in the other six games, but difference was small in most of them
(for example the difference in mass effect 2 was just 0.2 fps)

It seems that the the extra memory that HD6970 has is almost useless even at extremely high resolution like 2560x1600

[-Sweeper_]

No, it doesn't, or Maybe in very few cases

Looking at anandtech review, GTX 570 performed better in 4 of the 10 games they tested at 2560x1600

HD6970 performed better in the other six games, but difference was small in most of them
(for example the difference in mass effect 2 was just 0.2 fps)

It seems that the the extra memory that HD6970 has is useless even at extremely high resolution

that may give an advantage in tomorrow's DX11 titles, but then again, well be more interested in 7xxx and GTX6xx when they come

[Jodiuh]

If you need only one reason than 0.7GB of RAM.

768's still enough for 1920x1200 and we had that 4 yrs ago. I'm pretty sure anyone reading this topic wont have a 470 in 2014.

GTX 260-216 > 4850

Owned both. 260 was faster and didn't wig out in COD: MW.

[flyck]

No, it doesn't, or Maybe in very few cases

Looking at anandtech review, GTX 570 performed better in 4 out of the 10 games they tested at 2560x1600

HD6970 performed better in the other six games, but difference was small in most of them
(for example the difference in mass effect 2 was just 0.2 fps)

It seems that the the extra memory that HD6970 has is almost useless even at extremely high resolution like 2560x1600

It is mentionned countless of times, but go read a review that uses the 10.11 drivers which are available.... Anandtech used the 10.10. Hardocp for example, the 6950 NEVER looses to a 570GTX.. the 6970 trade some blows with the GTX580 but is overall slightly slower. Still blows the 570GTX by a significant margin (e.g.10%).

[dartaz]

It is mentionned countless of times, but go read a review that uses the 10.11 drivers which are available.... Anandtech used the 10.10. Hardocp for example, the 6950 NEVER looses to a 570GTX.. the 6970 trade some blows with the GTX580 but is overall slightly slower. Still blows the 570GTX by a significant margin (e.g.10%).

My friend, Did you notice that Hardocp was using different settings when they compared GTX570/580 to 6950/6970 ? Did you ?

Example, Look here they are using 8x AA for GTX 570, but only 4x AA for HD6950 in Civilization




Thats not a fair comparison. If they were using the same settings, then GTX 570 would win easily

[Nintendork]

My friend, Did you notice that Hardocp was using different settings when they compared GTX570/580 to 6950/6970 ? Did you ?

Example, Look here they are using 8x AA for GTX 570, but only 4x AA for HD6950 in Civilization




Thats not a fair comparison. If they were using the same settings, then GTX 570 would win easily

Look at "apples to apples"



Tried to look at the other games of that review?

[flyck]

My friend, Did you notice that Hardocp was using different settings when they compared GTX570/580 to 6950/6970 ? Did you ?

Example, Look here they are using 8x AA for GTX 570, but only 4x AA for HD6950 in Civilization

Thats not a fair comparison. If they were using the same settings, then GTX 570 would win easily

see comment Nintendork..

and i was wrong about anandtech, they either changed the text or i remembered it wrong.

Altough bothered by anantech showing all the cards and crossfire setups when the resolution is 25.... and for resolutions 16xxx they show only the single cards. So if you look closely the 25 the 6970 is between the 570 and 580 and the 6950 is continously around the 570. for 1920 the 570-580 takes the advantage and 16xx the difference is completely in nvidia favour.

HardOcp tested the best image quality settings possible while still playable and did an apples to apples which were alway high res and qualitity settings.

Anand showed that only the first graph and afterwards they lower the settings and quality and show them single card vs single card. making the clearest chart about performance also the bottom one and the one with the lowest quality settings (settings you won't use when you buy a card of >300euro)

[tajoh111]

It is mentionned countless of times, but go read a review that uses the 10.11 drivers which are available.... Anandtech used the 10.10. Hardocp for example, the 6950 NEVER looses to a 570GTX.. the 6970 trade some blows with the GTX580 but is overall slightly slower. Still blows the 570GTX by a significant margin (e.g.10%).

Correction

Anand used 10.11

AMD Catalyst 8.79.6.2RC2 = 10.11 RC2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/a...eon-hd-6950/12

HARDOCP is the only website showing such results out of all the website. Hardocp has never been the most credible website.

[Olivon]

[Dami3n]

IMHO this new cards are a

[flyck]

Correction

Anand used 10.11

AMD Catalyst 8.79.6.2RC2 = 10.11 RC2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/a...eon-hd-6950/12

HARDOCP is the only website showing such results out of all the website. Hardocp has never been the most credible website.

I already corrected my statement, see previous comment of mine, two posts before yours. and no, anandtech shows the same thing, again read my previous comment. The difference is an nvidia advantage for low resolutions, but if you turn those up, see first graph for anand viewers, after some searching in there graph you will see 6970> 570 and 6950~570

[dartaz]

I already corrected my statement, see previous comment of mine, two posts before yours. and no, anandtech shows the same thing, again read my previous comment. The difference is an nvidia advantage for low resolutions, but if you turn those up, see first graph for anand viewers, after some searching in there graph you will see 6970> 570 and 6950~570

Not many people play at 2560x1600 which makes the comparison at that resolution useless for most people. But let us calculate the average difference between HD6970 and GTX 570 from anandtech review.

GAME/HD6970/GTX 570/Advantage over GTX570

Crysis/36.6fps/32.6fps/12.2%
Battleforge/48.2fps/54.5fps/-13%
Metro/25.5/23/10%
HAWX/92/104/-13%
Civilization /34.5/45/-24%
BC2/47.8/45/6%
STALKER/39/34.3/13%
DIRT2 /56.8/64.2/-13%
ME2/56.1/55.9/0%
Wolf/79.4/66/20%

Total =(12.2-13+10-13-24+6+13-13+20)/10= -0.18%

If my calculations are accurate then that means that HD6970 is 0.18% slower than GTX 570 at 2560x1600

[flyck]

Not many people play at 2560x1600 which makes the comparison at that resolution useless for most people. But let us calculate the average difference between HD6970 and GTX 570 from anandtech review.

GAME/HD6970/GTX 570/Advantage over GTX570

Crysis/36.6fps/32.6fps/12.2%
Battleforge/48.2fps/54.5fps/-13%
Metro/25.5/23/10%
HAWX/92/104/-13%
Civilization /34.5/45/-24%
BC2/47.8/45/6%
STALKER/39/34.3/13%
DIRT2 /56.8/64.2/-13%
ME2/56.1/55.9/0%
Wolf/79.4/66/20%

Total =(12.2-13+10-13-24+6+13-13+20)/10= -0.18%

If my calculations are accurate then that means that HD6970 is 0.18% slower than GTX 570 at 2560x1600

Thanks for proving my point!

didn't had time to go through them.
The higher the settings, the the closer the gap and how closer 6970 gets to the 580.

Now add in some test higher quality settings (higher AA since only used 4x) and those results will come closer.
test which can be higher because there is still framerate room and settingroom: battleforge (-13%), Civilization(-24%) brings those to 8xAA and the gap is getting closer. (just to name 2)

So add those higher quality settings and magically the 6970 becomes faster overall.

25x might not be used very often, it is an indication for future. for 16x, most used, those cards can reach playable framerates and you won't notice the difference with all settings enabled.(which was also not tested).


edit:

6970 need to reduce price in my country to fight with 570

Maybe. As it stands currently you might be right. But i don't think either of them is a clear winner. I believe the 6950 is the best choice for any card at the moment. and GTX560 will need to be really close to 570 if it wants to compete with that product.

[Motiv]

Correction

Anand used 10.11

AMD Catalyst 8.79.6.2RC2 = 10.11 RC2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/a...eon-hd-6950/12

HARDOCP is the only website showing such results out of all the website. Hardocp has never been the most credible website.

Strange, I always like HardOCP, and find they give very good reviews. They show what settings, give equal types of performance. It's a different way of doing things, but still gives a fair comparison.

[Milos-stancene]

If I could sum up the 6970 in one word it would be "disappointing". And I do not understand the marketing logic of producing what is for the moment the "top" AMD card when it can only perform around the level of Nvidia's number two card, the GTX 570. OK, so it is priced at a similar level to the GTX 570. But this only confirms the reality, that GTX 580 levels of performance, from a single GPU at least, are no longer within AMD's capabilities.