AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[HelixPC]

Nice cards for the price, AMD is doing great, keep up the good work, both camps look good this time, but we need a bit better pricing from nvidia.

[chispy]

Wow. So after 140+ pages of rumors, it ends in disappointment lol

+1

[TheBreezyBB]

Wow. So after 140+ pages of rumors, it ends in disappointment. Makes me wonder if Bulldozer is going to be a bust. lol

Not as much as the 580GTX

[tifosi]

Not as much as the 580GTX

Yes... i'm hugely disappointed, disappointed that i won't get a blow-job after paying as much as i did for a 6970

Short of that, it does pawn (performance/ price wise) a GTX580 in major dx11 game benchies as per hardocp :P and true... if 6970 was a letdown, then what would one call NVIDIA's GTX480/ 580? Apparently people are saying, OCUK sold more 6970's in under 24 hours than GTX580's from launch to date

[TheBreezyBB]

Yes... i'm hugely disappointed, disappointed that i won't get a blow-job after paying as much as i did for a 6970

Short of that, it does pawn (performance/ price wise) a GTX580 in major dx11 game benchies as per hardocp :P and true... if 6970 was a letdown, then what would one call NVIDIA's GTX480/ 580? Apparently people are saying, OCUK sold more 6970's in under 24 hours than GTX580's from launch to date

That was to be expected anyway. Seeing a lot of people disappointed in the new cards is no surprise at all

[kadozer]

Yes... i'm hugely disappointed, disappointed that i won't get a blow-job after paying as much as i did for a 6970

Short of that, it does pawn (performance/ price wise) a GTX580 in major dx11 game benchies as per hardocp :P and true... if 6970 was a letdown, then what would one call NVIDIA's GTX480/ 580? Apparently people are saying, OCUK sold more 6970's in under 24 hours than GTX580's from launch to date

$120 in savings over GTX 580 can go really far in Tijuana...just saying.

[kadozer]

double

[tifosi]

$120 in savings over GTX 580 can go really far in Tijuana...just saying.

Well, i need nothing more than a HD6970 and i'm a pretty happy customer for the power in the punch it packs in and yes, $120 in savings was a major consideration. I did wonder about buying the GTX580 with the accelero cooler for about $580. Given that, the savings are unprecedented (close to $200).

Now the funny part... this is only my second graphic part which i've bought. The first was 7600GS, yes A LONG TIME AGO Then i got a 4870 (free) for close to a year and then a 7900GS (again free) and still in use since 4870 was taken away. Now 1920x1200 in all games seems playable and i bought this alright

[tajoh111]

Way to long reply, doesn't make you right.
You just can't have it both ways, maybe next time think twice before posting. Specially if it is something negative about AMD in AMD thread.

If it was your ONLY negative post about AMD in this thread I would have probably ignore it.

First you were speculating about paper launch. Based on nothing.
Now you're speculating about "they could have launch the card month ago" also based on nothing.

It sure makes a lot of sense.
My last post on the subject, if you want to talk more about it, take it PM where I can be more open.

Based on nothing!!! Did you just ignore what I had posted. I had explained my reasons. There was certainly not nothing, considering other information available at the time and rumors at the time. The delay and non availability of the card was also a reason for this since everyone was expecting the card in november.

And my recent change in shift has is because performance numbers have shown disappointing results and the large large number of cards they apparently have.

People take a dump on nvidia like its cool and do it in a far more trolling manner. Its very consistent and it is in a Nvidia thread, why don't you hammer on them when their attitude is far less realistic and they are doing simply for the reason of trolling. I never use emoticons or even egg people on directly. I have never said anything directly bad about a company like AMD or NV or Intel sucks. I say negative things about both companies's but only when there is some evidence at the time to direct it as so. I say positive things about AMD when they merit it as with any other company.

As I said, anytime I say something controversial I explain my reason's clearly. I am not doing it to troll and if a person wants an explanation I will give it to them. I do not simply say something obvious without thinking about it. My often long responses show that and I do give thoughts into what I say.

Ahahaha, finally it's unveiled, thx God.

Now, i can keep my posting right & actually win my bet, but honestly, not in the best way i could have hoped for. Certainly nice value proposition, but i will actually be happier with a US$ 449 Cayman XT that's performing at ~GTX 580 level.

This all over the places performance test result, one has to wonder whether it was because of immature driver, or the character of the mArch itself. Glass half full or empty case i guess.

I was hoping they could make something 5%-10% faster than the gtx 580 at 450-500. I would definitely pay that 100 dollars more for 20% more performance. As it is, it is just AMD version of the gtx 570 with better performance in 2560 and lower or similar performance everywhere else. I will admit I was wrong on the price, but its priced simply appropriately against the competition. I expected more from the 6970 as did everyone else.

[Sn0wm@n]

seriously tajoh i didnt expect more .. i did expect a card to trade blow but for cheaper and thats what amd gave us ...

[tajoh111]

seriously tajoh i didnt expect more .. i did expect a card to trade blow but for cheaper and thats what amd gave us ...

I don't see a card that trades blows with the gtx 580, it consistently loses to the gtx 580. It trades blows with the gtx 570 though.

You had to expect a more. 50% + bigger die than Barts and a new architecture. I don't even think that gtx 580 is that fast, hence why AMD could be able to beat it. It wouldn't be a super easy task but I thought AMD could do it considering they were using a new architecture. The bare minimum I expected of the 6970 was it to beat the gtx 480(by a tiny margin) and it just does that(the bare minimum) and that it. With Nvidia lineup and AMD lineup and their respective pricing, Nvidia doesn't have to lift a finger with pricing, which to me marks a disappointing launch. AMD prior launches for the last while had Nvidia dropping their prices left and right. They did it with barts, but it doesn't look like they are going to do anything with the high end.

[Vardant]

First you were speculating about paper launch. Based on nothing.
Now you're speculating about "they could have launch the card month ago" also based on nothing.

Based on nothing you say? What about the few weeks delay then? I'm sure that was just a coincidence.

[Sn0wm@n]

I don't see a card that trades blows with the gtx 580, it consistently loses to the gtx 580. It trades blows with the gtx 570 though.

You had to expect a more. 50% + bigger die than Barts and a new architecture. I don't even think that gtx 580 is that fast, hence why AMD could be able to beat it. It wouldn't be a super easy task but I thought AMD could do it considering they were using a new architecture. The bare minimum I expected of the 6970 was it to beat the gtx 480(by a tiny margin) and it just does that(the bare minimum) and that it. With Nvidia lineup and AMD lineup and their respective pricing, Nvidia doesn't have to lift a finger with pricing, which to me marks a disappointing launch. AMD prior launches for the last while had Nvidia dropping their prices left and right. They did it with barts, but it doesn't look like they are going to do anything with the high end.

real reviews with updated drivers i say will tell us the big picture ...

[Vardant]

[cold2010]

10.12 more Performance more Performance

[Tha Last Meal]

lol immmmmmmm I think 10.12a/b/c/d/e/f/g will come with big Performance

[kite7]

Don't count on miracle drivers to save the day

[Oliverda]

Only the latest 8.851.1.0 brings performance tweaks and improvements.

[cold2010]

Only the latest 8.851.1.0 brings performance tweaks and improvements.

[eric66]

Amd has the best arch of all time yooo lol seriously what a let down of a card seems its pointless to wait for amd offerings they always end up in sec place

[Oliverda]

[tajoh111]

real reviews with updated drivers i say will tell us the big picture ...

That what I thought about the gtx 480. In the end, it only got 3 or 4%. It was 14% faster than a 5870 initially and is now maybe a few points better than that.

For driver improvement I will try to be hopeful because I still can't see AMD screwing up this badly, but reality probably says for a single card, maybe 5% at best and that is not going to happen overnight.

AMD obviously wanted this card to be faster. A beefed up cooler, larger chip and 2x the memory(which is faster and more expensive) and likely a more complex PCB to deal with the power and they charge less than the initial prices of a 5870. Considering how little money they made on the 58xx generation, it doesn't make sense for them to decrease their margins.

If antilles can be 600 dollars and have a non reduced spec'ed 6970(I don't care about power, I bought a ax1200 for that and it is still in the box waiting for a new videocard), I would consider buying that.

But as is, I can see even NV competing pretty well and releasing a deal card to deal with antilles.

Something tells me we won't be seeing so much improvements because the card only has 1536 shaders or 384 real shaders even though I want to believe there is more there. Frigg, I bought a ax1200 and a corsair 800d for a new monster videocard and it has been sitting here for the last six months, nothing really warrants its because we haven't really had any real monster cards(the 5970 was close back in the day, but the specs were reduced like crazy).

[ColonelCain]

Well, I'm pretty much sold on the 6970.

Usually I would buy an XFX in a heartbeat, but 2 things stopping me:
1) Only 6970 on newegg for $380.
2) "Warranty void if removed" stickers covering the screws for the GPU backplate. Which means if you want to watercool it, you quite possibly are looking at no warranty.

Sapphire is looking mighty tasty.

[Sn0wm@n]

That what I thought about the gtx 480. In the end, it only got 3 or 4%. It was 14% faster than a 5870 initially and is now maybe a few points better than that.

For driver improvement I will try to be hopeful because I still can't see AMD screwing up this badly, but reality probably says for a single card, maybe 5% at best and that is not going to happen overnight.

AMD obviously wanted this card to be faster. A beefed up cooler, larger chip and 2x the memory(which is faster and more expensive) and likely a more complex PCB to deal with the power and they charge less than the initial prices of a 5870. Considering how little money they made on the 58xx generation, it doesn't make sense for them to decrease their margins.

If antilles can be 600 dollars and have a non reduced spec'ed 6970(I don't care about power, I bought a ax1200 for that and it is still in the box waiting for a new videocard), I would consider buying that.

But as is, I can see even NV competing pretty well and releasing a deal card to deal with antilles.

new architecture .. and fermi is just a full fermi of what we were supose to get 1 year ago ... so amd still has room to improve ...


i wouldnt discount it so fast

but on the other end nvidia allready milked their arch .. and the added performance was due to the added hardware on their 570 and 580 ...


so give amd some time

[flopper]

ocuk said it best, outselling Nvidia by a ton.