LGA1155 Motherboards already selling in Taiwan info

[prava]

I contacted a spanish shop that has them listed and they told me that yes, they will start selling them this week although cpus won't arrive till next year. Weird if you ask me, but the shop is really well-considered in Spain so I trust them.

http://www.coolmod.com/list/2807/176...OCKET-1155.htm

[dctokyo]

ASUS P8P67 Deluxe on Buy.com
http://www.buy.com/prod/p8p67-deluxe...218919357.html
ASUS P8P67 Deluxe SB Motherboard $251.59

[PatRaceTin]

1155 also in stock in my country too.....


wait for CPU release

[saaya]

Hi saaya, the report say`s that the shop Taiwan Panorama Business PC parts 台湾・光華商場にあるとあるPC was selling them, that is the picture at that place.
It also mention Taiwan's cyber city Guangwha area 光華商場

hmmm ill have a look, but last time i read a report like this it was bs... they had the boards in stock but werent showing it or selling it...

Why EVGA is not showing the 1155 motherboards ?
Maybe they will pass 1155 socket

yeah, maybe...

I guess you never saw some stores in akihabara then.

Anyway as Chri$ch said they are already availalbe here since the begin of this week. And its not really uncomon either.

actually i have
im surprised boards are already out and intel might start selling cpus... very late, almost too late for christmas... but better than no christmas sales at all i guess

i love how asus is trying to sell an 1155 board for 200E btw

[Sgt.McRuff]

new asrock 1155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157217

[dctokyo]

Another US seller with several P67 boards in stock

http://www.excaliberpc.com/products/...ch=&search=p67

[FischOderAal]

i love how asus is trying to sell an 1155 board for 200E btw

I think there were quite a few S1156 boards that did cost you more than 200 Euros...

[RPGWiZaRD]

I believe the ASUS P55 Deluxe costed like 180~185€ at launch tho and seems something like average 20€ / $30 extra now for corresponding model to the P55 series (at the launch) is seen for other motherboards too, especially Gigabyte UD4 and UD5 are expensier this time but hopefully it'll settle for launch as this is too early to make any conclusions, I picked up this P55-UD5 at 173€ at P55 launch and it's got even 10 sata slots instead of 6x and only 1 NIC instead of 2 on P67 so especially Gigabyte seems to be greedy this time, 20€ expensier and less features. The ASRock seems currently the most reasonably priced board.

At similar pricing for both Gigabyte P67-UD5 and ASUS P67 Deluxe (~200€) which are always some tough competitors against each other, the ASUS clearly looks more interesting this time around, at P55 launch the ASUS board was like 10€ expensier and offering less features, this time around ASUS seems to draw the longer straw, offering a bit more for same price.

[sin0822]

What is more interesting about asus?

[gr8madmax]

What will be the best Asus or Gigabyte board without overspending if I plan on getting a 2600k and overclock it max on air?

Any thoughts?

[RPGWiZaRD]

What is more interesting about asus?

Digital WRMs, 8x SATA slots (of which 4 are 6Gb/s vs) vs 6 sata slots on Gigabyte, Dual NIC on ASUS of which one of them is using an Intel NIC, CMOS reset button at the backpanel instead of on the motherboard somewhere (in case you're using a comp case it's obviously more convenient to have it at the back) and it's questionable wheter the top PCI-E 1x is usable on Gigabyte, looks like heatsink is slightly taller than the slot and finally ASUS has shown a promissing EFI bios which Gigabyte hasn't yet at least.

For same price, it would be an easy pick this time for me at least.

[EagleRock]

At similar pricing for both Gigabyte P67-UD5 and ASUS P67 Deluxe (~200€) which are always some tough competitors against each other, the ASUS clearly looks more interesting this time around, at P55 launch the ASUS board was like 10€ expensier and offering less features, this time around ASUS seems to draw the longer straw, offering a bit more for same price.

Finnish prices are always much higher than the states, Do you think we can get these boards at that price? or are you buying from Germany?

[RPGWiZaRD]

Finnish prices are always much higher than the states, Do you think we can get these boards at that price? or are you buying from Germany?

I usually order from Germany whenever I buy some new products (has to be minimum CPU + motherboard and sometimes also new RAM + PSU at same time) at a launch. When only ordering CPU + motherboard it's questionable if it's worth it though, but if also adding some RAM and possibly PSU and say a CPU cooler etc then it will be very worth it and you could save up to ~150€ or so.

[dctokyo]

What is more interesting about asus?

there is the BIOS... which uses EFI which Gigabyte has not shown yet if I am correct

[saaya]

I think there were quite a few S1156 boards that did cost you more than 200 Euros...

yeah but 1156 overclocks... and not just 250-300$ cpus but any cpu, including 80E chips...
1156 lets you adjust the qpi/imc clock as well, it lets you fine tune your memory in great detail... and if you look at the positioning, those expensive 1156 boards come with special features, mostly about overclocking... which 1155 boards dont have... yet they still cost that much

even on 1156 200E was a joke for a board imo... on 1155 its even moreso...

i really wanna see somebody take the cheapest 1155 board out there and compare it to a 200E or even 350E 1155 board and compare them

[saaya]

there is the BIOS... which uses EFI which Gigabyte has not shown yet if I am correct

afaik everybody uses efi... though gigabyte could actually create their own award bios, i doubt theyll do that...

and whats so great about efi anyways?
you only use it once to set up your pc and thats it...
all you can do on 1155 is raise multis and voltages, and you can do that in windows as well...

im sure there will be tweaks to get 1 or maybe even 3 extra mhz out of bclock, yay, but hows that gonna be any different with efi?

[RPGWiZaRD]

Yea that's also my thoughts, I don't think I ould buy any really expensive board in case I get a 1155 setup as the OC difference between a good and cheap board will probably be one CPU multi difference, ie 100MHz at most while most often they will probably overclock the same...

As long as they have the features I need, preferable 8 sata slots, onboard power on buttons (as I don't use any comp case) and that's about it. ASRock for example meets my demands and looks to be very cheap, however I'm also interested in the ECS P67 Black something that looked so sweet in case it's not too expensive but I ain't gonna spend 200€ at least, preferable 150€ or so.

[dctokyo]

and whats so great about efi anyways?
you only use it once to set up your pc and thats it...
all you can do on 1155 is raise multis and voltages, and you can do that in windows as well...

im sure there will be tweaks to get 1 or maybe even 3 extra mhz out of bclock, yay, but hows that gonna be any different with efi?

the EFI Bios looks so pretty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvrXJ2fT_M


Difference Between EFI and BIOS

1. EFI is more similar as a low-end operating system in concept. It has the capacity to control all the hardware resources. It has some basic functions as a small operating system, support mouse control, visit internet in EFI, backup your disk drive, install drivers in EFI, etc.

2. EFI supports Graphic User Interface(GUI), but BIOS has only text interface, even few computer manufacture, OEM manufacture can provide a simlar GUI, but their functions are greatly limited. It is a graphic BIOS only.

3. EFI support multi-languages user interface. for many non-english speaking countries, they can manage EFI in theiry mother language circumstance.

4. EFI is designed in modular, it is the most significant difference between EFI and BIOS. EFI is designed in two main modulars, one is firmware manager, the other is operating system software manager. EFI supports new peripherals, high-speed startup, and firmware upgrade separately.

5. EFI is developed in C language, but BIOS is in ASM. So EFI has more adaptation in hardware or firmware. EFI has greater fault tolerance and error correction features.

6. BIOS service is designed in 16-bit mode, but EFI is running in 32-bit mode or 64-bit mode, and even the enhanced processor mode in future.

7. We can access to all system hardware functions by EFI driver model, we can visit internet or websites in EFI without access the upper operating systems.

[saaya]

the EFI Bios looks so pretty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUvrXJ2fT_M

i dont think so... but ok... and youd pay more money or buy a different brand cause the bios LOOKS more stylish? i always thought the bios is all about features and ease of use... i mean come on, even that efi bios doesnt really look stylish... and mouse pointers in the bios arent actually new, that stuff existed a decade ago already but guess what, it was dropped cause it didnt make sense and nobody liked it
and really, personally i can adjust settings way faster with the keys than with a mouse... especially the way the coded the efi bios with all those pop up menus and tiny buttons you have to hit... :P

Difference Between EFI and BIOS
1. EFI is more similar as a low-end operating system in concept. It has the capacity to control all the hardware resources. It has some basic functions as a small operating system, support mouse control, visit internet in EFI, backup your disk drive, install drivers in EFI, etc.

you care about this? why? hows that making things better or easier for you?

2. EFI supports Graphic User Interface(GUI), but BIOS has only text interface, even few computer manufacture, OEM manufacture can provide a simlar GUI, but their functions are greatly limited. It is a graphic BIOS only.

again, hows does this help?

3. EFI support multi-languages user interface. for many non-english speaking countries, they can manage EFI in theiry mother language circumstance.

thats a nice feature, but this can be done with traiditonal bioses as well, nobody did it cause they dont want to allocate the resources to it... its not a limitation of the bios...

4. EFI is designed in modular, it is the most significant difference between EFI and BIOS. EFI is designed in two main modulars, one is firmware manager, the other is operating system software manager. EFI supports new peripherals, high-speed startup, and firmware upgrade separately.

good for bios engineers, but why do you care about this?
and highspeed startup... the difference isnt all that great from what ive seen so far... its all about S3/S4 nowadays anyways, so honestly, boot times arent that important if you ask me...

5. EFI is developed in C language, but BIOS is in ASM. So EFI has more adaptation in hardware or firmware. EFI has greater fault tolerance and error correction features.

again, great for bios engineers, but why do you care?

6. BIOS service is designed in 16-bit mode, but EFI is running in 32-bit mode or 64-bit mode, and even the enhanced processor mode in future.

and?

7. We can access to all system hardware functions by EFI driver model, we can visit internet or websites in EFI without access the upper operating systems.

i can do that on any asus board or laptop for a couple of years already, and i think others support this as well with a thin linux client... but honestly, ive never used this feature... i prefer waiting 20s and then having access to everything, all apps, all websites...

the only advantages that i can see in EFI is that it easier to maintain in the future, once bios engineers got used to it, and that it supports disk volumes above 2tb and newer interfaces without hacking ancient code.
everything else can be had in other ways and isnt really new or useful, at least in my opinion...

and even if you care so much about EFI, afaik everybody will use EFI for sb, so... good for you

[sin0822]

SO i am not going to make this a fight, first of all its PWM(Pulse Width Modulator it controllers vcore switching and controls the phasesb), but you guys should really research digital and analogue PWN/VRM system, then go study Serial VID (something that is going to change PWM tech (forever) and then think about which option would be better. If you have 16+ high quality phases with a good PWM you have just beaten the best Digital PWM/VRM in power output, speed and efficiency. Digital pwms switch so slow and that can be a problem especially when the analogue signal needs to be converted to digital, then go through an algorithm processor, then hold up you still need to have a digital to analogue converter. Now digital VRM/PWM are nice for a few reasons, easy to implement one chip that has the PWM and phases all in one, runs much cooler because of the low switching frequency(200hz-1khz), only one large capacitor is needed, voltage control is more precise, Control switching frequency by user, it is the way of the future. Thing I do not like about digital VRM/PWM vs a 16phase+ analogue, their efficiency is no where close to that of a full analogue system, power output isn't close, analogue PWM technology is so mature that the PWMs are almost perfect, digital is still an infant, if you run with at least 12 phases you have reduced ripple through chokes and have almost the same 5-6mv voltage control as digital(4-8 phases), analogue PWMs are much faster at switching, you do not need to worry about being in benching frequency of 800HZ, instead your between 300khz-1mhz with analogue, YES those units are very correct.

There are benefits of both, go goggle the topic do some real research read some research paper from universities, look up the data sheets, you know...

Gigabyte's BIOS is not EFI for a few reasons, #1 you have a TON of options with Sandy Bridge, from processor wattage, amperage, and more voltages, to about 6+ turbo settings. ASUS says that EFi allows 3gb+ TB boot, gigabyte has this too. EFI is like amc compared to PC, and IDK how stable it will be, there are TONS of bios options, even blck is available for change(even though highly unrecommended).

[Buckeye]

It has been reported here in Japan that LGA1155 Motherboards already selling in Taiwan. GIGABYTE today has been started to sell branded models.... Link to report with picture of boards in the shop.

http://www.gdm.or.jp/pressrelease/201012/08_01.html

Man that place is packed to the roof with stuff. Wish we had store like that over here. Fry's doesn't count, unless your looking for open box stuff that sells for full retail.

[sin0822]

that place looks like the back of a little store, like a stocking room.

[flopper]

cost is high for business owners there for rent and since its crowded not that easy to build more houses...

[dctokyo]

Man that place is packed to the roof with stuff. Wish we had store like that over here. Fry's doesn't count, unless your looking for open box stuff that sells for full retail.

man , that is nothing, you should see some of the shops here in Akihabara

[dctokyo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
Difference Between EFI and BIOS
1. EFI is more similar as a low-end operating system in concept. It has the capacity to control all the hardware resources. It has some basic functions as a small operating system, support mouse control, visit internet in EFI, backup your disk drive, install drivers in EFI, etc.

Originally Posted by saaya:
you care about this? why? hows that making things better or easier for you?

So far manufacturers have done nothing other than replicate BIOS functionality. But take the case of the MacBook Air and its ability via EFI to have an OS installed wirelessly from another Mac. Now imagine if your PC had in its EFI firmware the ability to reinstall the OS from an online connection say after an HD failure. Right now with most crapo PCs you've got to call up and get them to send you a restore disc. There is tons of stuff that could be implemented in EFI to make the PC more enjoyable and easier to use. As long as the firmware has the ability to download from the internet, then additional EFI functionality can be installed in the GPT disc partition, so no need for a massive firmware ROM either. I don't know if there would be any advantage for servers but what if EFI loaded a hypervisor OS, eliminate the need for a fully functional host OS?