that's another reason to dislike consoles...Originally Posted by Carfax
these excellent games, which i agree exist, should be ported to PC.
and not a bad port either, put some effort into it.
that's another reason to dislike consoles...
these excellent games, which i agree exist, should be ported to PC.
and not a bad port either, put some effort into it.
just start taking pics of peoples kidsthe parents will come talk to you shortly. if you have a big creepy van it works faster
Since when has any computer/video game in history ever sold 100 million copies?
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and let us not forget the biggest selling game of all time Hover! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hover!
Microsoft sold 316 Million copies of Hover!
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You do realize I'm a console gamer as well as a PC gamer right? I have a X360, PS3, and a Wii right along with my gaming rig all hooked to the same TV... I'm not prejudice. In fact, one of my jobs is as a remote writer for MLG, which ironically enough is for tekken. I'm actually a HUGE fan of tekken, and a moderator at the biggest tekken site on the net as well. So yeah, you CLEARLY read that post wrong.You're wrong regarding the bolded text, mainly for two reasons:
1.Shooters as in FPS come from PC arsenal... even the famous Halo which does have his own community (dedicated fans) is not a true console shooter (pretty common to any PC shooter), yet Gears of War is another story.
- check Halo, MW2, GW... and see if it's a ghost town...
2.If we're talking about consoles - their hardcore community is based on Arcades fans like Tekken, StreetFigther, Mortal Kombat, KoF, Twisted Metal, Vigilante and so on...
The moving along to next thing part is just as valid for consoles as it is for PC's. Same dedication for PC titles can be valid for consoles as well... I still have fun playing Tekken or Vigilante with friends, yet we were also hardcore Quake 2, UT, CS 1.6, SC, AoE 2 players but that doesn't seem fun anymore.
What you did with your post has name and it's called: PREJUDICE! - everybody's doing it this days...
Also, there are exceptions to the ghost town rule, but they're rather few. For example, MW2 still has people playing because people are pissed that there's no quick scoping in black ops(well, there is, but it's a lot different) and are trying to make a stand against 3arc over it.
On the other hand, look at CS1.6.. STILL highly populated. Look at Quake 3, STILL heavily populated.... PC games live long lives, but most console titles get passed on when the next title shows up. Want proof? Go to any general gaming web forum and see how many people ask if they should trade in last month's hot game for this month's at gamestop. Ask the guy behind the counter at gamestop how many people traded in halo reach for black ops, you'll know what I mean.
Last edited by DilTech; 11-29-2010 at 09:57 PM.
Well said !
Another thing I find funny is AMD/Intel would snipe any of our Moms on a grocery run if it meant good quarterly results, and you are forever whining about what feser did?
I never said anything about objective or subjective criticism. I don't even know why you are dragging that into this thread. Hardly anyone is REALLY objective about a game. And please don't get me started about 'more free critique'. We all know what happened to 'more free critique' when manufacturers started sending out free review gear to so-called 'unbiased' review websites. Your stance on objective/subjective and how it's affected by not having to pay for it is highly debatable.
What I'm saying is that there are two factors playing causing the "most games are sht"-trend. One of the factors is teenagers not always being able to express their opinion in a well-balanced manner, causing extreme stances on a game ('total sht' or 'insanely good'). The other is piracy causing less cognitive dissonance as effort(downloading game) < effort(buying game).
The congitivie dissonance is causing people to justify the effort they put into playing the game (work, go to store, buy, play, continue to play, ...). One of the ways to do this is by trying to sum up the good things about a game ("well, it wasn't the worst I've played"). This positive aspect can then be shared in online discussion forums.
Cognitive dissonance also inhibits lieing, by the way. It doesn't allow you to justify your purchase to an extend that you will praise it to heaven.
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Well to be honest, you sure fulled me with the other post - based on what you're saying now, you should have been the one saying what I did...
Do you know who's playing those game?
CS 1.6 - played by some who found this game in a net club (for example), learned how to play it and this end-up being "the only game they play" and mostly played by kids with low budged systems, this being one of the best shooters it could run on their rig and lastly, played by those who invested a lot of time in this game, so much that it defines them. This are not hardcore PC gamers - but hardcore "CS 1.6" players (I've also been part of their community - played CS since the early betas, when CS was just a mod for half life -> till v1.6 ...).
Quake 2/3 and UT3 - are still popular cause there aren't many alternatives out there - they did released Quake 4 (you know?) but "WHAT THE F. IS THIS P. of S."!?" - was the main reaction of Quake 2/3 players... and can't blame them (use to be a hardcore Quake 2 player myself).
Yet, how come you're not aware of Tekken being the equivalent of Quake on PS?!I'm actually a HUGE fan of tekken, and a moderator at the biggest tekken site on the net as well
- Do you know that some bought PS3 mainly for this game?
...and let's not forget MK, S.F. and KoF.
Just out of curiosity - on console communities do you cast the shadow on PC gamers? Cause here, you did exactly the opposite...
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Not a hardcore player of any of those titles anymore - but also, didn't got blinded by PC vs Consoles war... This hate is present on many forums... I've seen many PC gamers with 2000$ - 3000$ rigs, who play mostly pirated games - and blame consoles cause gaming got more terrain under Consoles. Which is obviously - "not their fault for not supporting gaming market under PC" - yet, they afford to... and we also have a large group of PC users who simply don't afford spending money on games... It's also the Devs fault - more than 50% of it and mostly greed related... but the hate towards consoles it's mostly inappropriate... like that which comes from PC owners who think to high of themselves and PC games - even think they're intellectual for being capable of playing games on a PC (saying things like: "console users are so stupid they can't press more than 8 buttons").
too many good games?
you mean there are more games that are worth it to be played than we have time to spend on them?
i agree on that, but are they really good? idk...
and its a good thing, not a bad thing...
i was incredibly dissapointed with bioshock... what an aweful game... so yeah from their perspective all other games must look super awesome
I couldn't disagree more with your hasty generalization. Shooters haven't changed much since CS1.6 and Quake. Sure the player models have more detail: Skeletal animations have improved; lighting effects are getting prettier all the time. But these evolutionary changes don't merit purchasing a respin of the same game with a smaller community, and less customization.
Perhaps these classic shooters remain popular because they are in fact good games and the players who enjoyed them when they were new still enjoy them now.
The telltale sign of desperation in shooter development is the WoWification of CSS, TF2 and others that suddenly have achievements and economies. If the game isn't fun enough to play just insert a false sense of achievement so players have something to brag about.
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awesomes
Super meat boy
The witcher 2
civilization v
fallout
starcraft 2
amnesia
Dead Rising 2
Darksiders
little less awesomes:
Dethspank
recettear
football manager
Lara Croft
Sam & max
Gray matter
bad company 2
ruse
I dont like but a lot of people do
call of duty
F1 2010
234234234234 MMORPG (i dont play but a lot peope loves it)
etc etc and all are titles of the last 3 months or so. I dont know if you have much time to play, but me with work, studies and social life outside the computer I cant play everything that is on the market and I want. I need too choose one game of five and probably less.
I would like to live a groundhog day to do all the awesomes things that we can't do because of time.
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Nightstar - I like the added items in TF2. We could all just polish each others railguns I guess, but sometimes its fun to have a rocket launcher too..
Kersh - Which of the games that you listed was the good one?
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For me a lot of them.
Super Meat boy is awesome, deathspank is fun, civilization V is on good way to be a successor for BTS plus mods, Starcraft 2 is a superb MP, amnesia is the best horror game of the last years so far, witcher 2 a great rpg
Maybe we have different opinions, for me there are a lot of good games to play. Others will think that 99%of them are crap and we have the last group who only plays if her graphic card cant move the game and say OH GOD THIS IS A GOOOD GAME BECAUSE OF GRAPHICS.
Super Meat Boy seems pretty fun so far which was released today btw. You also forgot about Minecraft. Thats another little gem.
It does seem to me like some people seem to want 3Dmark 11 and not an actual game. This post comes to mind and no I'm not really a COD fan.
Last edited by BababooeyHTJ; 11-30-2010 at 06:53 PM.
If you read my entire original post, instead of taking of section out of context as you did, you'd realize the point of my post, which wasn't flaming console communities but rather explaining why BioWare may have made the statement they did.
I'm a lot more interwoven into the tekken community than I am even in the hardware community, and that says something. I play that game so much I actually have a specific combo named after me for christ sakes. I have a job literally based upon my knowledge and ability in this series... literally.Do you know who's playing those game?
CS 1.6 - played by some who found this game in a net club (for example), learned how to play it and this end-up being "the only game they play" and mostly played by kids with low budged systems, this being one of the best shooters it could run on their rig and lastly, played by those who invested a lot of time in this game, so much that it defines them. This are not hardcore PC gamers - but hardcore "CS 1.6" players (I've also been part of their community - played CS since the early betas, when CS was just a mod for half life -> till v1.6 ...).
Quake 2/3 and UT3 - are still popular cause there aren't many alternatives out there - they did released Quake 4 (you know?) but "WHAT THE F. IS THIS P. of S."!?" - was the main reaction of Quake 2/3 players... and can't blame them (use to be a hardcore Quake 2 player myself).
Yet, how come you're not aware of Tekken being the equivalent of Quake on PS?!
- Do you know that some bought PS3 mainly for this game?
...and let's not forget MK, S.F. and KoF.
I also know that Tekken 6, while it has done AMAZING in the arcades, it did nowhere near what was expected in terms of american console sales. I mean, people in Korea have been putting 12 hour days on it(not an exaggeration), and they even have a TV show based on tournament play of tekken 6(tekken crash), but honestly the community has died down drastically on the console side of things. Tekken tag tournament 2 should change that. I mean, 1.76 million copies sold on the PS3 sounds great for most titles, but for tekken that's actually extremely weak.
Tekken's biggest issue now is simple... Gamers these days are too lazy to try and master a game as difficult as tekken on a high level. The amount of thought and skill that goes into a match of tekken at top level is insane, performing perfect with 1/60th of a second timing, knowing your distance to the wall, knowing which way each move tracks and what moves you can and can't punish for a cast that big... It's really IMO the hardest fighting game in the world to master.
If I was going to call ANY console game the "quake 3" or CS 1.6 of console gaming, it'd be Super Street Fighter 2 turbo. That game has been played forever by console gamers. Although, as you say CS gamers can't be called hardcore PC gamers, I guess you can't call fighting gamers hardcore console gamers.
I don't dog on either side. You merely took part of my post out of context. A real gamer will play games regardless of platform, as long as it's a GOOD game.Just out of curiosity - on console communities do you cast the shadow on PC gamers? Cause here, you did exactly the opposite...
If the people who think console gamers are stupid ever actually tried to wrap their brains around high level tekken play, I think they'd probably have an seizure. There's more difficulty in actually moving properly in tekken than there is in literally any shooter on the PC... Especially if you play mishima. you can quote me on thatNot a hardcore player of any of those titles anymore - but also, didn't got blinded by PC vs Consoles war... This hate is present on many forums... I've seen many PC gamers with 2000$ - 3000$ rigs, who play mostly pirated games - and blame consoles cause gaming got more terrain under Consoles. Which is obviously - "not their fault for not supporting gaming market under PC" - yet, they afford to... and we also have a large group of PC users who simply don't afford spending money on games... It's also the Devs fault - more than 50% of it and mostly greed related... but the hate towards consoles it's mostly inappropriate... like that which comes from PC owners who think to high of themselves and PC games - even think they're intellectual for being capable of playing games on a PC (saying things like: "console users are so stupid they can't press more than 8 buttons").
The REAL issue for PC gaming isn't just piracy, it's the fact that a very good sized chunk of PC gamers play one game and only one game. How many WoW players do you know that play other games frequently? How many CS players do you know that play other titles? How many battlefield players?
See the issue here? A good chunk of PC gamers don't have time to devote to multiple titles, and once they find one they like they stick to it. Especially with the mod support behind it. Then, if a sequel slightly changes things they have a huge backlash and stick to the old one.
Fact is, most PC games outside of a few developers get entirely ignored. NO one in their right mind would attempt jumping into said market, because the PC market is the hardest to satisfy, and most of them will NOT give the new guy a chance. It's sad it's turned out this way, but it really has.
Your entire post is about hardcore tekken players who have nothing better to do than play tekken 12 hours a day.. and then watch a tv show about it.
Then you tell us PC gamers are limited to only one game?
how many of the hardcore tekken players play other games?
I admit I ignore a lot of PC games, but thats because most of them are 1-6 hours of boring repetative playtime, then no meaningful multiplayer or community mod base to increase the multiplayer capacity.
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I said Korean top level tekken players can spend up to that much time in the arcade playing it. Have anyone on this forum who lives in Korea go to Green Arcade, they'll see exactly what I speak of. Those guys are animals, and have pretty much made a career out of that game. On console, it's a completely different story.
Most tekken players play other titles too. Holeman, the guy who won MLG Columbus, plays several other titles including WoW(infact, wow has taken up most of his gaming time now to the point that people are saying he's quitting tekken tournaments). Anakin, who won MLG Dallas(and 12.5 grand not including his split of the 3v3 winnings) only plays tekken like an hour a week. A lot of them also player shooters, like COD or Halo. Very few of them ONLY play tekken. A lot of the korean players also play star-craft. Then you factor in other fighters like BlazBlue, KoF, VF(if VF5's updates ever hit console that is), SF, MvC, etc.
Now, turn around and look at WoW players, which is the most widely played PC title. Generally speaking once someone starts that game, that's what they play(and sometimes ALL they play). I personally think some of it has to do with the fact that PC gamers are usually a bit older, which means they have less time to game, which means less time to learn new games... Just a theory of mine, but it's definitely a trend I've noticed. I mean, how many CS players play other shooters? How many starcraft players also play civ 5? People STILL play diablo 2 religiously!
Glance over at consoles, you'll find that most people who play halo also play COD, most people who play madden also play nba live, most people who play God of War also play devil may cry... See the pattern forming here?
I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm merely pointing out that THIS is probably what BioWare is talking about. PC Gamers tend to stick to their game/series of choice and that's it, and PC games have MUCH longer life spans, so a good PC game from 3 years ago might still end up competition for a game that comes out tomorrow if people are still hooked on it.
Last edited by DilTech; 12-01-2010 at 05:24 AM.
I don't know you personally (never heard of you until now - an I believe same goes viceversa
- can't say I'm the same gamer as 9 years ago anymore (far from that) but I also have a similar opinion from this point of view - that's why I don't like trashing discussions based on "pc vs. console" subjects and the war among gamers from both sides (most are PC users - something like 70% vs 30%)...A real gamer will play games regardless of platform, as long as it's a GOOD game.
From all the gaming legends, one name pops in my mind and that is: Purri - which used to be one of the best Quake II players (guess he still is)... And in my opinion, Quake is the most intense and hardest shooter you could master on PC - and here's a gameplay video from one the competitions he played. and no he's not playing vs a weaker opponent, since he did got owned on one map... (didn't knew about this competition - was surprise to see Purri still playing...
The thing is - I know both console and pc users and there isn't much difference among them... and if it wasn't for Piracy - the wouldn't be much difference in terms of game sells either... Both have hardcore players of certain types and both have more passive players - who buy almost any new tittle which has some decency in terms of game play, from steam...
You're also right about WoW community but same goes for many MMO's - and here's a good reason why this is happening...
I honestly, don't see MMO's as a good example - based on the way the guys behind them try to get you addicted to those "systems"...
I think you're generalizing far too much, but oh well.
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Don't forget Xmen vs Streetfighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs Streetfighter.
14 years old still going strong,Cod is cool but is the server still going to be full 15 yrs from now .
those are kinda dead compared to MVC2 thoughDon't forget Xmen vs Streetfighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs Streetfighter.
14 years old still going strong,Cod is cool but is the server still going to be full 15 yrs from now .
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