AMD Cayman info (or rumor)

[flopper]

I think this is the worst logic I have ever seen on this forum

So Nvidia PR is silent because: 6900 is going to own 580 and Nvidia doesn't want to sell more cards during the sole month in which they are in a good position? Cool

they never been silent before.
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.
its consistent behaviour for Nvidia.
they also do a ton of dmg control if that happens, woodscrews anyone?

[bill_d]

they never been silent before.
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.
its consistent behaviour for Nvidia.
they also do a ton of dmg control if that happens, woodscrews anyone?

it's not the woodscrews but the refunds thay had to give with the 4000's that was a bigger black eye
no hype & no refunds this time

[Sam_oslo]

they never been silent before.
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.
its consistent behaviour for Nvidia.
they also do a ton of dmg control if that happens, woodscrews anyone?

All these may be true, but nVidia has been confident enough to drop the GTX580 right on Cayman. This timing and confident indicates that they have planed to sabotage it, and may even had plan to beat it too.
On the other hand, these 2 delays are not indicating a confident AMD, but we have to wait and see how Cayman will stand against GTX580, if it comes out on time.

[zerazax]

All these may be true, but nVidia has been confident enough to drop the GTX580 right on Cayman. This timing and confident indicates that they have planed to sabotage it, and may even had plan to beat it too.
On the other hand, these 2 delays are not indicating a confident AMD, but we have to wait and see how Cayman will stand against GTX580, if it comes out on time.

You're spinning harder than Charlie

2 delay are not indicating a confident AMD? Right after you said it might be due to the DrMOS component? And before that, you were gloating about AMD suffering yield issues which were proven false a few days later

And what 2 delays? There's only been one, and AFAIK, the original 11/22 date was the "best guess" and never set in stone

Some people are seriously delusional , and the fanboys are the worst

[Sam_oslo]

You're spinning harder than Charlie

2 delay are not indicating a confident AMD? Right after you said it might be due to the DrMOS component? And before that, you were gloating about AMD suffering yield issues which were proven false a few days later

And what 2 delays? There's only been one, and AFAIK, the original 11/22 date was the "best guess" and never set in stone

Some people are seriously delusional , and the fanboys are the worst

No need to get offensive. In that way the truth gets berried under childish fight. I take it as an offense to be compared to Charlie.

I don't know why they have delayed 6870 & 50, rumors says the shortage DrMOS is to blame. I don't know, but they have delayed 6990 to next year too.

These 2 delays may indicate trouble in AMD camp, but it may be just for fun too, who knows?

[zerazax]

No need to get offensive. In that way the truth gets berried under childish fight. I take it as an offense to be compared to Charlie.

Your post history here recently doesn't help your cause

I don't know why they have delayed 6870 & 50, rumors says the shortage DrMOS is to blame. I don't know, but they have delayed 6990 to next year too.

These 2 delays may indicate trouble in AMD camp, but it may be just for fun too, who knows?

Let's listen to logic

Hemlock and R700 were both released a little over 2 months after Cypress and RV770, respectively.

So if Cayman was due Q4 2010, and we have November and December left... then logically, Antilles is likely due some time in Q1 2011 - meaning anywhere from January 1st to March 31st.

If they had delayed it to Q2 2011, we'd be talking - but otherwise, a roadmap placing Antilles in Q4 2010 when Cayman wasn't due til the latter half was a pipe dream at best and is a very minor detail when you consider those leaked roadmaps were written possibly 2 months ago... well 'cept to those who have seen their beloved Nvidia punished last year I guess

And since Cayman is due Q4 2010 still, and since no specific date was given initially (other than the assumed Nov 22), AMD is still in the right quarter for release - whether this was intentional or accidental or otherwise remains to be seen, but a "oh no, AMD is doomed" is the hugest joke I've read in recent memory.

After all, AMD is actually publicly promising a date - that means they are WAY confident to announce a date a month out that they're going to release a card, because the backlash if they don't deliver a good one on that day will be way worse than staying silent

[Vipeax]

After all, AMD is actually publicly promising a date - that means they are WAY confident to announce a date a month out that they're going to release a card, because the backlash if they don't deliver a good one on that day will be way worse than staying silent

This time they indeed made it public (since it looks like these mails didn't cause NDA issues), which is the first time. Fermi was said to come in Q4 2009, likely before Cypress. It was actually out very late Q1 or early Q2 2010 o. and all we saw in Q4 2009 was some plastic cooler and a funky PCB that came from another card and was cut in 2. As long as it is done in Q4, I will be happy.

[zerazax]

This time they indeed made it public (since it looks like these mails didn't cause NDA issues), which is the first time. Fermi was said to come in Q4 2009, likely before Cypress. It was actually out very late Q1 or early Q2 2010 o. and all we saw in Q4 2009 was some plastic cooler and a funky PCB that came from another card and was cut in 2. As long as it is done in Q4, I will be happy.

Right, although in Fermi's case their November event was to unveil the white paper on Fermi's architecture, but no actual statement on launching anything was given. People just assumed that press event = imminent launch

Only Fudzilla was claiming launch dates, and they ended up being worse than Charlie

[hurrdurr]

they never been silent before.
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.

WHAT.

The whoopass situation was when they launched GTX 280. They employed TERROR FANFARE talking about the card and how much ass was about the kicked. The result? One of the biggest fiascos in their history with incredibly high priced cards getting their asses kicked by the competition's surprise offerings.

And how about the Fermi launch? "Are You Ready For The Announcement Time of The Day In Which We Will Tell You When The Product Is Going to Be Announced"? "CRANK THAT S#!7 UP" etc etc. Another underwhelming product.

So their PR is silent now and you have determined that it's because their product is going to suck compared to what AMD's offerings will be. And you say their PR is silent because they don't want to make people buy their cards in the sole month they are in a good position (before 6900's come out)

Really, cool story, bro. The lack of logic in some people is overwhelming sometimes. When there are some facts, and you try to interpret the facts as a proof of Nvidia's sucktitude whether or not they actually are, you sound funny.

[Olivon]

PowerColor said to Donimhaber that 6900 is 30 to 50 % more powerfull than 6800 series.

[eXceeded]

Jeez, that is an impressive claim. Considering 6800 is roughly 10-15% slower than GTX580 in a best case scenario then looks like we are onto a winner here. Competition is good for sure, but I've always been an AMDTI fanboy

[Olivon]

Jeez, that is an impressive claim. Considering 6800 is roughly 10-15% slower than GTX580 in a best case scenario then looks like we are onto a winner here. Competition is good for sure, but I've always been an AMDTI fanboy

That's more 40 % no ?

[tajoh111]

Jeez, that is an impressive claim. Considering 6800 is roughly 10-15% slower than GTX580 in a best case scenario then looks like we are onto a winner here. Competition is good for sure, but I've always been an AMDTI fanboy

10-15% maybe to a gtx 480 and even then it still probably in a best case scenario is 20%

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...rce-gtx-580/15

This is the very best the 6870 does against the gtx 480 and this situation is particularly CPU limited because it is an old game(e.g SLI 580 performs more or less the same as a gtx 580). Most of the time it is closer to 50%. In 3 out of the 10 games in anandtech's review, it was 70%(battleforge, hawx and dirt 2).

When the 6870 is losing to the gtx 580 in a game that loves AMD cards like battlefield bad company 2 by 48%, 30-50% doesn't look too good.

[Mechanical Man]

10-15% maybe to a gtx 480 and even then it still probably in a best case scenario is 20%

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...rce-gtx-580/15

This is the very best the 6870 does against the gtx 480 and this situation is particularly CPU limited because it is an old game(e.g SLI 580 performs more or less the same as a gtx 580). Most of the time it is closer to 50%. In 3 out of the 10 games in anandtech's review, it was 70%(battleforge, hawx and dirt 2).

When the 6870 is losing to the gtx 580 in a game that loves AMD cards like battlefield bad company 2 by 48%, 30-50% doesn't look too good.

By quick calculations, GTX580 is 20-60% faster than HD6870 in those testes. So HD6970 at 50% more than HD6870 would most likely winning some and losing some. So basically it would about par in performance. Ofc it still has so much room to change depending on its architechtures improvement points. If they can improve lot in situations where GTX580 is strong, it could come at overall winner. But in other way also, it could come overall loser. Shame we need to wait so long..

[Manicdan]

By quick calculations, GTX580 is 20-60% faster than HD6870 in those testes. So HD6970 at 50% more than HD6870 would most likely winning some and losing some. So basically it would about par in performance. Ofc it still has so much room to change depending on its architechtures improvement points. If they can improve lot in situations where GTX580 is strong, it could come at overall winner. But in other way also, it could come overall loser. Shame we need to wait so long..

it will be interesting, since the arch is changing, who knows which games it will be strong or weak on.

i honestly do not expect such an even difference like we saw with the 580 relative to 480.

hopefully they also give us 10.12 cats with their December release. otherwise a week later people will have to update them again for who knows what kind of perf boost. (im sure w1zzard wouldnt like having to do a review all over again the week of the holidays because amd couldnt get them out just a little sooner than normal)

[tajoh111]

By quick calculations, GTX580 is 20-60% faster than HD6870 in those testes. So HD6970 at 50% more than HD6870 would most likely winning some and losing some. So basically it would about par in performance. Ofc it still has so much room to change depending on its architechtures improvement points. If they can improve lot in situations where GTX580 is strong, it could come at overall winner. But in other way also, it could come overall loser. Shame we need to wait so long..

Take out the CPU limited titles and you are looking at a 40-70% difference in performance.

[mAJORD]

10-15% maybe to a gtx 480 and even then it still probably in a best case scenario is 20%

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...rce-gtx-580/15

This is the very best the 6870 does against the gtx 480 and this situation is particularly CPU limited because it is an old game(e.g SLI 580 performs more or less the same as a gtx 580). Most of the time it is closer to 50%. In 3 out of the 10 games in anandtech's review, it was 70%(battleforge, hawx and dirt 2).

When the 6870 is losing to the gtx 580 in a game that loves AMD cards like battlefield bad company 2 by 48%, 30-50% doesn't look too good.

580 is 40% faster in that game..

Anyway, so much mindless arguing.. it's been pretty clear Cayman XT is going to be around GTX580 performance for some time. be it + or - a few % come review time doesn't really matter.. AMDs own slides ahve positioned it Faster than a 480, Slower than a 5970.. do the maths !

To me, it's going to come down to power consumption, OCing, and price

I do think single card Eyefinity might sway people. The counter argument a single card isn't powerful enough for EF won't really hold for some time.. (till games pull it to its knees)

[Vipeax]

I do think single card Eyefinity might sway people. The counter argument a single card isn't powerful enough for EF won't really hold for some time.. (till games pull it to its knees)

Buying 2 cards for Eyefinity will make a lot more sense than before as well. With 2 cards you would be necked by the 1GB limit faster than that you would be able to use the full power of 2.

With Cayman having 2GB you could just get 1 card and get a second one later when you need one, or just throw 1K on the table right now to get 2 GTX580s cause they still haven't added hardware support for surround.

[hurrdurr]

Jeez, that is an impressive claim. Considering 6800 is roughly 10-15% slower than GTX580 in a best case scenario then looks like we are onto a winner here. Competition is good for sure, but I've always been an AMDTI fanboy

6800 15% slower than... GTX 580? OH... so THAT's the world "AMDTI fanboy"s are in. I was kind of wondering.

[SpuTnicK]

PowerColor said to Donimhaber that 6900 is 30 to 50 % more powerfull than 6800 series.

Yeah ,that woman also said that new generation of 6000 cards (meaning 6900) will be released in 1-2 weeks. and Dual-core cards will be launched in December 2010 - FAKE!!!

[bill_d]

Yeah ,that woman also said that new generation of 6000 cards (meaning 6900) will be released in 1-2 weeks. and Dual-core cards will be launched in December 2010 - FAKE!!!

or just old

[SpuTnicK]

or just old

Tell it to Mr. VR-Zone

And here is another RUMOR!!!

[BrowncoatGR]

they never been silent before.
every time they launch a great card (whoop ass can) they drum the drums.
every time they get ass kicked, they dont.
its consistent behaviour for Nvidia.
they also do a ton of dmg control if that happens, woodscrews anyone?

Actually quite the opposite. Nvidias PR is always strong, but whenever they are about to release a product that doesn't quite deliver they talk it up the most. GF5 series , GTX280 and GF100 were all hyped up as revolutionary before launch and are good examples of this behaviour