2010 AMD Analyst Day Thread

[JF-AMD]

I thought every chip you built was binned for speed/voltage?

They are.

This has nothing to do with binning and has everything to do with the TDP limits for workloads.

[570091D]

How about Fusion(Bobcat based) is shipping to customers,now.How about 1 year from tape out to product launch in BD case? How about 250 days from tape out to mass production in Ontario's case? They can't show you Bulldozer benchmarks,if that's what you are looking for.You got Zacate numbers just slightly prior to the launch,so don't expect different with Bulldozer benchmarks.

well... if you consider that we've been waiting for bulldozer for 4 years, i can understand his frustration. in that time the cpu market has become stagnant, i'm not blaming amd for that, but they have been teasing the world with BD for a long time now.

though tbh, i haven't really learned anything new from the analyst day... can't wait for the leaks

[gallag]

How about Fusion(Bobcat based) is shipping to customers,now.How about 1 year from tape out to product launch in BD case? How about 250 days from tape out to mass production in Ontario's case? They can't show you Bulldozer benchmarks,if that's what you are looking for.You got Zacate numbers just slightly prior to the launch,so don't expect different with Bulldozer benchmarks.

Thats my point, Every single thing you just said requires a waiting time to see if it actually pans out, You just quoted the promising slides. I just want some cold hard facts. Now. I know I am not going to get this though so I guess I am just ranting.

I remember AMD giving us teasers and %ipc increace figures well before the K10 launch (ended up not being very true though) so what is the actual reason for not teasing us now? Its not like any of the companys have time to change anything, Is it? Would SB and BD not be set in stone now?

[informal]

Bobcat started shipping to customers yesterday(literary).
They are not teasing us since they know better now. You didn't get ANY teasing with 4xxx,5xxx nor 6xxx series cards from AMD and they all performed stellar. This is the new AMD with a new product strategy and as you will see,new good products for each market segment. Past Barcelona they executed brilliant(Deneb,Istanbul,MC,Lisbon all launched either on time or were pulled in a bit).

[Dresdenboy]

@Turbo good/not good discussion:
I just don't want to imagine the class action suits following selling of 4GHz CPUs which sometimes only achieves 3.5GHz, for some users maybe even rather often (video encoding, HPC). How about the termal throttling stories in the past?

[ajaidev]

As much as i love my job i did raise the point about Turbo and the default speed to my senior in charge and was promptly told to get the hell out of the office.

My problem is the rating done on turbo enabled cpu's, in internal testing most of the Intel new gen cpu's never ever run of default rated speeds they either run over it via Turbo or run under it via clock control. The rated speed of a cpu is not used in most times but its the fall back speed say if some factors have forced the cpu to use the stock speed otherwise it pretty much runs on turbo.

The rating of these CPU's should change to the clock that all core run at for a period of time and for dual core situations. I was told that since i was not in the section responsible for all this my opinion does not count at all

[saaya]

Process Roadmap:

wow, just look at how much things are slowing down in the next years...

i hope for them intel will slow down as well, otherwise intel can skip several ticks and do tocks only, just shrink and tweak and they will stay competitive with the same design for half a decade

[FlanK3r]

Im happy for so agressive turbo, because in reviews have 3.2 GHz CPU and dont care if one CPU has turbo and second not. Graphs in review are clear. I could nervous with i 750 vs x4 955, said people, its not fair, i5 750 is not 2.66 Ghz, but min. 2.8 Gh quad. But specification are 2.66GHz+turbo (in 4 threads 1-2 multipliers up, in dual and singl threads more). So, great Turbo is good point ! Of course, in praxis is ideal for still good TDP and faster processing.

[MrMojoZ]

I remember AMD giving us teasers and %ipc increace figures well before the K10 launch (ended up not being very true though) so what is the actual reason for not teasing us now?

I think you just answered your own question there now didn't you? You people complain when they give early information then rant when they don't.

[Tomasis]

I think you just answered your own question there now didn't you? You people complain when they give early information then rant when they don't.

haha good one,..

[Dresdenboy]

i hope for them intel will slow down as well, otherwise intel can skip several ticks and do tocks only, just shrink and tweak and they will stay competitive with the same design for half a decade

Just as a funny thought: what if AMD's doing it just the other way round, doing ticks only

[sergiojr]

wow, just look at how much things are slowing down in the next years...

I think you got it wrong. The graph shows only APUs on new techprocess. If an APU is developed on old techprocess (e.g. second 28nm APU) it is not shown on the graph.