AMD to Start Production of Desktop "Bulldozer" Microprocessors in April.

[slaveondope]

why are the 6 core chips getting full L3 and 4 core getting only half? is this meaning they will build them in half size on purpose for better profitability rather than just having really bad 8 core chips?

That didnt sit well with me either since the L2 is tied into each integer core on a module so one would think youd lose their L2 cache in cutting out a module.

EDIT: thought wrong was thinking they said 6 and 8 core would have the same total cache.

[BeepBeep2]

why are the 6 core chips getting full L3 and 4 core getting only half? is this meaning they will build them in half size on purpose for better profitability rather than just having really bad 8 core chips?

Since L3 is shared with all cores and not associated to any single one the 6 cores retaining full L3 will probably be dysfunctional 8 core dies.

I'd say the 4 core will be it's own die, because it would cost less to manufacture. Depending on how yeilds go, they probably don't expect to have to dump 8 core chips into a 4 core segment though 6 cores would be more probable.

[Nikolasz]

why are the 6 core chips getting full L3 and 4 core getting only half? is this meaning they will build them in half size on purpose for better profitability rather than just having really bad 8 core chips?

With new tech there is allways problem, some transistor may brake inside cpu and half cpu is dead..Or lets say quarder maybe 1/6 or 1/8
I think is better to sell as mid range then in trash.

[Manicdan]

With new tech there is allways problem, some transistor may brake inside cpu and half cpu is dead..Or lets say quarder maybe 1/6 or 1/8
I think is better to sell as mid range then in trash.

i know thats why they are making 6 core versions, but they never seemed to chop up L3 before, it either was built with it, or built without it. so it seems the 4 core version is built for 4 max and given half of everything

[JF-AMD]

yep one die 4 modules 8 cores.
interlagos will be 2 dies 8 modules and 16 cores all within 125w (but this for server only)

Um, server will be lower than that. We will be in the same power/thermal ranges as today and we have a 12-core low power part.

[JF-AMD]

FYI everyone. AMD will give some detail about bulldozer in the analyst day briefing next week. It would be best to wait for the actual news instead of speculating.

[zalbard]

FYI everyone. AMD will give some detail about bulldozer in the analyst day briefing next week. It would be best to wait for the actual news instead of speculating.

Sounds good! Hope we will get some actual performance data.

[JF-AMD]

no performance data until launch.

[M.Beier]

no performance data until launch.

Wondering if that is due the current performance

[Tomasis]

Wondering if that is due the current performance

it is for not make intel piss in his pants

[god_43]

Wondering if that is due the current performance

....really, lol really though? no it is Business, like poker, you don't show your hand until the end.

[qcmadness]

That's a real surprise from AMD...

Originally thought that Llano will launch in Q2, and Bulldozer in Q3 / Q4.

[qcmadness]

....really, lol really though? no it is Business, like poker, you don't show your hand until the end.

You can demo a Bulldozer at low clock to show you have working sample while hiding its real potential.

[Mad Pistol]

Usually, major companies only build hype if the product royally sucks. Since AMD has let very few details slide about the performance of their product, we may be in for a treat with BD.

Here's to hoping Intel gets a kick in the pants. We need the competition to drive prices down.

[M.Beier]

Usually, major companies only build hype if the product royally sucks. Since AMD has let very few details slide about the performance of their product, we may be in for a treat with BD.

Here's to hoping Intel gets a kick in the pants. We need the competition to drive prices down.

Nvidia does not represent all companies... May I remind you of Gulftown

[Sn0wm@n]

You can demo a Bulldozer at low clock to show you have working sample while hiding its real potential.

and people wouldnt be surprise by anything else other then superpi so forget it .. amd will hide its power until launch day ... and i kinda understand why

Usually, major companies only build hype if the product royally sucks. Since AMD has let very few details slide about the performance of their product, we may be in for a treat with BD.

Here's to hoping Intel gets a kick in the pants. We need the competition to drive prices down.

we need competition to force intel to push the tech to its fullest ... like they did with the core 2 ... that's true competition ...

[Mad Pistol]

we need competition to force intel to push the tech to its fullest ... like they did with the core 2 ... that's true competition ...

Yep. That's the most important part. Still, I'd love to see Intel and AMD get locked in a brutal price war that drives chip prices into the ground. I mean, I love how AMD's offerings right now are fairly good and priced to steal, but Intel is dominating the market on the high end. If AMD delievers, Intel starts having to compete on price rather than all out performance... the consumer wins if both companies are neck and neck.

[MBomberZ1]

You can demo a Bulldozer at low clock to show you have working sample while hiding its real potential.

You know how people are, especially around forums like this. You give them a glimpse of what it can do and people are at it trying to extrapolate a guesstimate and criticizing whatever that ends up being.. OR they will jump all over the fact that its only a simple test, exclaiming its held together with wooden screws and hamsters under that CPU cooler. I don't think a simple demo like that will gain them anything. At least for us folk. I understand their position in not showing their cards.

[madcho]

FYI everyone. AMD will give some detail about bulldozer in the analyst day briefing next week. It would be best to wait for the actual news instead of speculating.

Just a question Why april ?
Why not it's not starting just after first sample yet ?

I know APM is good, but yield need most time around 6 months before going good. 4+6=10 so november 2011 ???? Why it's sayed end of Q2 and start of Q3 meaning june/july on xbitlabs ?

my guess was already end of june, but i was thinking bulldozer was starting in january.

I just hope evrything will be good for BD samples, i would like a new fail from AMD, they don't need it, and i don't need wait so more for buy a new CPU

[JkS]

This is getting exciting, only 5 months away, I'm hoping it isn't released on April 1st....

[FlanK3r]

AM3+ Board will come before that.
am3 890fx short life

no, Thubans still will be...so, high mainstream CPUs not death with 890 chipset . And Im for news socket, if will be better for performance Bulldozer (dont see in it problem)


Whoalaaaaaa, great news Informal, thx for it, nice morning for me
JF: of course, will watch stream at Analyst day , I need to have all Zambezis to home (quad, hexa, eightcores, never sold it )

[Nikolasz]

We ppl are in crossroads, amd or intel.
core2quads getting old now days, and if amd want to give market to intel(i3,i5,i7 exc.)......

[saaya]

lots of cache... sigh... doesnt sound very promising...
whenever somebody put lots of cache on a chip in the past it was done to boost performance when tweaking the core wasnt possible or too much of a hassle...
this is THE new architecture and it comes with lots of cache instead of using as much die space for logic as possible... idk, to me this sounds like bad news...
then again, this is a server part anyways and not aimed at desktops, so i guess there lots of cores with lots of cache is good news and fp perf and ipc doesnt matter than much... i guess itll do well for servers... doesnt sound like itll do well in the desktop area at all though :/

[Oliverda]

Looks like that the desktop parts will arrive earlier than the server ones. As I thought earlier...

[ubuntu83]

This is getting exciting, only 5 months away, I'm hoping it isn't released on April 1st....

That would be a massive marketing failure.

Looks like that the desktop parts will arrive earlier than the server ones. As I thought earlier...

Yup Desktop will get the first priopity because magnycours is doing good in server market.