Radeon HD 6850 & 6870 reviews...

[DilTech]

Hopefully the battle will be so fierce that we'll see the 6970 for only $349

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That would remind me of the days before the 8800GTX... Remember the x1900xt/x1950xt? Practically identical performance to the x1900xtx/x1950xtx for only about $300.

[tajoh111]

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That would remind me of the days before the 8800GTX... Remember the x1900xt/x1950xt? Practically identical performance to the x1900xtx/x1950xtx for only about $300.

Competition needs to happen for a 6970 at 350 or less. Barts is bigger than juniper and is 80 dollars more expensive than it and in a couple tables is the new midrange(replacement for same area as juniper). Cayman is rumored to be even bigger than the 5870 and the price of the 5870 was 399, so I am expecting something around 500 dollars.

[spursindonesia]

Competition needs to happen for a 6970 at 350 or less. Barts is bigger than juniper and is 80 dollars more expensive than it and in a couple tables is the new midrange(replacement for same area as juniper). Cayman is rumored to be even bigger than the 5870 and the price of the 5870 was 399, so I am expecting something around 500 dollars.

Juniper is exactly half Cypress, so if Cayman is double of Bart (2240 SP 112 TMU 64 ROP 512 bit @500 mm^2 2 GB VRAM), and score 16.000-17.000 3DMark Vantage Xtreme, i think US$ 500 price tag is well worth every centz of it. Oversimplification at its best form, i thought this forum members aren't that ignorant ?

Your pessimism and negativism toward AMD graphic division is just more and more amusing by day, LOL.

US$ 249 at the very least for Bart --> debunked
US$ 500+ for Cayman --> Interesting huh ? One month isn't such a long wait i presume, LOL.

[tajoh111]

Juniper is exactly half Cypress, so if Cayman is double of Bart (2240 SP 112 TMU 64 ROP 512 bit @500 mm^2 2 GB VRAM), and score 16.000-17.000 3DMark Vantage Xtreme, i think US$ 500 price tag is well worth every centz of it. Oversimplification at its best form, i thought this forum members aren't that ignorant ?

Your pessimism and negativism toward AMD graphic division is just more and more amusing by day, LOL.

US$ 249 at the very least for Bart --> debunked
US$ 500+ for Cayman --> Interesting huh ? One month isn't such a long wait i presume, LOL.

First off, this is simply a rude post. Are you trying to get in a flaming war with such a smartass post?

I might slightly pessimistic(which in this case is saying AMD is acting like a business rather than a charity) but I tend to layoff the personal attacks unless it is provoked. I think the only thing I called you is optimistic and I have always left the provoking smiley faces out.

249 is close enough to 239 honestly, I think your kind of splitting hairs on that one. The more optimistic people were thinking barts xt was going to be 199.

I'm not allowed to have pessimistic speculation about AMD(and I remember you were talking about the freedom of speculation), but everyone including their dogs are allowed to have it for NV? Heck I am probably more pessimistic about NV than AMD lately. I said I am likely to buy antilles even if it comes out at 650 or 700, I like AMD cards as the one I am using currently is an AMD/ATI card. It seems like your singling out my pessimism to one company to make me something I am not.

I been talking about NV being completely ed until they make a new architecture. I think my pessimism for NV graphic division is just as strong if not stronger.

I don't think 499 is really that pessimistic about Cayman. There are a lot of rumors that suggest it is biggest chip ever for AMM. The price of AMD midrange has jumped and the cayman series in general has a new moniker(the 69xx series) to likely justify the new pricing(as barts was shifted so it could be priced higher).




I think this old chart gives us alot of hints about pricing as it's we take in the name shift into account it was accurate for Barts.

That being a barts xt being around the 5830 price(which was 239 at launch).

The chart also suggest cayman is going to priced higher than the 5870.

The pricing for the 6870 is fair for what it is and its not really a huge bargain considering they could have sold it for much lower considering the chip size. I think AMD knows they have the momentum, and as a result, this round is all about making money.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

The gtx 460 only picked up 5.5% and it was basically the best priced/best performing champ. To me, this is a sign NV has lost alot of respect and as a result, AMD doesn't have to be nearly as kind with it pricing. People I think right now prefer the AMD name more than the NV name. It already has 80+ percent of the directx 11 marketshare and since AMD is selling pretty much only directx 11 cards, its more than comfortable with the marketshare it has because it is the dominant shareholder. It doesn't need to worry about pricing their cards aggressively for strong competition because as the gtx 460 has shown, even when the competition has better pricing/performance, the AMD brand is selling better. The stronger branding of nvidia has allowed NV to survive for a while(post g80) and make money, but for directx 11, has really been AMD round, they know it and I think unless their is competition, they are going to cash in like they won the lottery.

If you make inferences about last generation and the supply and cost of the 5870. It makes little business sense to sell cayman xt for 350. They are going to have just as little quantities, no competition is in site unless gf100 really surprises and it for marketing reasons is armed with the new 6970 name to make it seem like a bargain compared to the 5970(cayman won't be $700 dollars).

This might make AMD sound pessimistic because they kind of sound like dicks for pricing, but they are a business and I think any company, especially a company so in need of money, is going to do whatever they can to make it.

Honestly, holy epic dogs poop. Cayman scoring 16,000-17,000 in vantage xtreme is far far to optimistic. And alot more unreasonable than what you consider me being pessimistic. A 5970 scores 13,000 and this is the same node they are making cayman on. No wonder you consider what I say pessimistic when your so ridiculously optimistic.A 5970 black edition that cost 1000 dollars only scores 15,5k.

Cayman doesn't need such a score to be priced at 500 dollars, it just need to significantly beat the gtx 480 and consume less power(this is a given) doing it. Both are very achievable. I think it's amazing to also think that I wouldn't consider performance for AMD to price their card 500 dollars and simply label me is ignorant, that just an insult. I can start seeing the leak score of x12000 being true now and that type of performance can already command a 500 dollar price tag and perhaps a bit more. The more this competition get's lopsided, the closer cayman xt will creep from 450 to 600 dollars(which I think is the absolute max they can charge for the top cayman). There could be cheaper cayman(maybe a low clocked a decent amount of shaders disabled for 350-400) but the top cayman is going to be pretty expensive.

[Das Capitolin]

I feel compelled to add my two cents, especially after wasting six hour of test time and scrapping my entire Sapphire Radeon HD 6850 and CrossFire reviews because of sample 'doping'.

1120-Core "Fixed" Radeon HD 6850 Review Samples Shipped to Media

I'm not going to say it was intentional, but the mere fact that nobody at Sapphire or AMD said anything despite being told of the problem a week before launch is rather alarming.