Oh i see, now everyone begins to agree that AMD is doing something really stupid and the fanbabies want the thread closed rather than we bash them for being s. Heh really funny if 6870 is barely faster than 5850 which means with the crapalyst factor and failfire and ofcourse now they come with amd on them so that just screams MOAR FAIL 460 1gb is still gonna be the card to get.